The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

[unwashed potato!]

left wing "we want health care for all, diabetes medicine at an affordable price, marriage to include lgbt community"
right wing "we want to make it harder to vote and tax cuts for billionaires"

bowdon: "the left wing are controlling the narrative "

 

[Hagar]

left wing "we want health care for all, diabetes medicine at an affordable price, marriage to include lgbt community"
right wing "we want to make it harder to vote and tax cuts for billionaires"

bowdon: "the left wing are controlling the narrative "

Same sex marriage provided by the Conservative party in Government.

Obligatory polling to take industrial action provided by the Conservative party in Government.
Fairer constituency size provided by the Conservative party in Government.
Polling for an independant Scotland provided by the Conservative party in Government.
A referendum on leaving the European Union provided by the Conservative party in Government.

How much harder to vote do you think the Government are making it.

 

[unwashed potato!]

Same sex marriage provided by the Conservative party in Government.

Obligatory polling to take industrial action provided by the Conservative party in Government.
Fairer constituency size provided by the Conservative party in Government.
Polling for an independant Scotland provided by the Conservative party in Government.
A referendum on leaving the European Union provided by the Conservative party in Government.

How much harder to vote do you think the Government are making it.

my bad. i meant USA side, given that twitter is a USA company, with USA staff primarily, bought by a current USA citizen etc.

the narrative that he thinks that is being controller, doesn't really apply to the uk either imo.

You make a good point though about those rights above being provided by a conservative government, and those being things the "left" in america want, showing that the "left" in america, is not really left, just left of the extreme right that the american right has gone.

though independence vote for scotland wasn't really a choice the conservatives wanted, but felt forced to, and took advantage of a key moment to win it

simliar can be said about the EU vote.

you think the constituency changes were done to make them fairer, or make them better for the conservatives?

don't get me wrong, i have always happily supported (but not voted) a conservative government until bojo came along.

 

[Werewolf]

The left have been controlling the social narrative for years.

The problem is you think subjects are black and white when they aren't.

All the social media companies are controlled by left leaning people. Businesses suck up to every left wing cause. Yet you're still here whining about the right.

You're assuming Elon Musk is right wing. I would say he's a centrist, which is where most people are.

If you're talking about the American "left" and the American "right" it's worth noting that even 20 years ago they were far more to the "right" of the UK (even their "left"), and that pretty much any of the "extreme but mainstream Right" leaning politicians from the 90's are now considered "left" by the current republican party or "rino's" - people that were thought to be firebrands of the Republican party are now labelled "leftist" because they talk about things like working with the other party on important issues, or admitting when you lost an election.

It's also worth noting that many of the "extreme left/socialist" ideas such as affordable health care and reducing student debt (or even making education more affordable) were once topics that both of the main US parties largely agreed upon (a lot of the stuff AOC etc talk about is only slightly "left" of what used to be mainstream US politics 40 or so years ago).

Even in the UK it's shifted to the right a bit, most of Blair's lot were "tory light", and the current labour party are more or less on a par with the Major era government on a lot of policies.

 

[ianh]

This perpetual whining about both sides lying is hurting democracy and furthering the global contempt for the right. You are just too indoctrinated and biased unfortunately. The right, as we have seen over the past few years, is far and away then scroatiest liars In the room. Proven fact. So, amusingly, stop lying to yourself.

Ahhhhhh, you got me

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I don't even know why people like you bother speaking about politics online, you're so far gone, you literally believe the people on the opposite side to you are evil. Why are you sat debating people you genuinely believe to be evil liars?

If ever there was a case for pot, kettle, black, this is it. I'm not sure how you had the front to even type that out.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Data from political donations, it's one of the most skewed out of all tech firms. Obvs most of the California tech companies will lean left in general but for Twitter, it's a 99% 1% spilt.

So you have figures for which Twitter employees donated and to which party? I'd like to see these figures.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

If you're talking about the American "left" and the American "right" it's worth noting that even 20 years ago they were far more to the "right" of the UK (even their "left"), and that pretty much any of the "extreme but mainstream Right" leaning politicians from the 90's are now considered "left" by the current republican party or "rino's" - people that were thought to be firebrands of the Republican party are now labelled "leftist" because they talk about things like working with the other party on important issues, or admitting when you lost an election.

It's also worth noting that many of the "extreme left/socialist" ideas such as affordable health care and reducing student debt (or even making education more affordable) were once topics that both of the main US parties largely agreed upon (a lot of the stuff AOC etc talk about is only slightly "left" of what used to be mainstream US politics 40 or so years ago).

Even in the UK it's shifted to the right a bit, most of Blair's lot were "tory light", and the current labour party are more or less on a par with the Major era government on a lot of policies.

It’s worth noting that many of Hillary Clinton’s campaign policies in 2016 were to the political right of Teresa May’s.

 

[Roar87]

If ever there was a case for pot, kettle, black, this is it. I'm not sure how you had the front to even type that out.

I mean the difference is I don't believe the people I'm debating are evil, I think they're wrong about their ideas.

 

[mattx2]

So you have figures for which Twitter employees donated and to which party? I'd like to see these figures.

X Inc Profile: Totals

X Inc organization profile: contributions by party of recipient, by source of funds, and affiliates.

www.opensecrets.org

It's on here, note this is just donations not how people voted so it's going to be skewed to the more politically active staff.

Just to note the San Fran area voted around 85% to Dems last election and most tech companies will show over 90% donations towards Dems

In general the more education someone has the more they Vote Democrat and those that live in diverse Urban areas are more likely to Vote Dem so it's hardly a surprise

 

[unwashed potato!]

I mean the difference is I don't believe the people I'm debating are evil, I think they're wrong about their ideas.

Perhaps the opposite side to the ones you support aren't evil. We don't think the opposite side to you is evil either.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

It really is amazing how people are buying this "leftist/commie/Marxist" rubbish that is coming out of the US for the last 6+ years. Most Tory MPs would be Democrats in the US. The US is a million miles from any form of socialism. Tech companies may well have a left (by US standards) leaning leadership and workforce, is it a surprise? Lots are in California which leans left and the data shows that if you go to university in the US you are more likely to lean left.

The far left does have issues but right now the far right/alt right and their representatives in Congress and the states legislatures/state houses are a far bigger issue. When you are attempting to overthrow an election because you don't like the result, including advocating for martial law, there is clearly a problem. Now its if you can't win then change the voting laws to make it harder for the other side to win. Its not even imaginable in the UK for party to make it harder to vote in certain boroughs that have a population that votes for the other party, that is the US ever since the SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

X Inc Profile: Totals

X Inc organization profile: contributions by party of recipient, by source of funds, and affiliates.

www.opensecrets.org

It's on here, note this is just donations not how people voted so it's going to be skewed to the more politically active staff.

Just to note the San Fran area voted around 85% to Dems last election and most tech companies will show over 90% donations towards Dems

In general the more education someone has the more they Vote Democrat and those that live in diverse Urban areas are more likely to Vote Dem so it's hardly a surprise

So individuals donated $836,212 to candidates in 2020. The max you can donate to a candidate is $2,800. So if we say that no one donated to more than one candidate, which is pretty hard to believe, that means 299 (rounded up) individuals donated. In December 2020 Twitter had 5500 employees. That isn't even remotely a case for and I quote.

Is everyone working at Twitter a lefty....

Nearly everyone yes, like 99% are.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I mean the difference is I don't believe the people I'm debating are evil, I think they're wrong about their ideas.

No you just think that people who you disagree with do things like, hate their country. There is no shortage of insults and reactionary statements in members sigs from you. So again, pot, kettle, black.

 

[chroniclard]

Righties defence of constant lies so weak sauce. Have you not learnt your lesson after brexit, the Tories and trump. Shameless loons intent on dragging everything into their immoral cesspit.

Also confusing hate with contempt of the brainwashed righties. Constant crying about non existent bias.

 

[Diddums]

The amount of negative effects this dumpster fire of a comlany has brought upon society is beyond measuring. Even discussions about it bring out the worst in people. Someone really needs to burn their offices to the ground and be done with it.

 

[StriderX]

The amount of negative effects this dumpster fire of a comlany has brought upon society is beyond measuring. Even discussions about it bring out the worst in people. Someone really needs to burn their offices to the ground and be done with it.

With Musk being involved I suspect the critical mass of Tesla batteries that would be filling the car park will make that a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

The amount of negative effects this dumpster fire of a comlany has brought upon society is beyond measuring. Even discussions about it bring out the worst in people. Someone really needs to burn their offices to the ground and be done with it.

I personally enjoy twitter, its my most used social media. Facebook I glance at these days and just use for keeping in touch with people and a handful of groups for personal interests. Never got in to Instagram or any of the others. I'd miss Twitter if it disappeared but social media is poison to our societies so it would be good if they all disappeared for good.

 

[GGizmo]

left wing "we want health care for all, diabetes medicine at an affordable price, marriage to include lgbt community"
right wing "we want to make it harder to vote and tax cuts for billionaires"

bowdon: "the left wing are controlling the narrative "

You've been typing on here for years defending big social media companies and you think you're left wing?

If a big company decides to censor a view you consider right wing you become a cheerleader for them.

 

[unwashed potato!]

You've been typing on here for years defending big social media companies and you think you're left wing?

If a big company decides to censor a view you consider right wing you become a cheerleader for them.

What are you even on about? Defending social media companies for years?

The ones I don't use? Any in particular? You'll have years of comments to go through, can't wait to see them.

Your second sentence makes no sense either.

You say for years I've supported social media companies, and when they censor a view I feel should be censored, I'm a cheerleader for them.

Congrats Bowdon. Did you figure that out for yourself?

Also, did I read correctly, that you think, that I said, that I'm left wing? I want to be sure before I hold my sides, lean back, and laugh