The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Apex said:
You have a funny memory.

What you've (almost definitely purposefully) forgotten, is that trump was "crying", Marjorie green was "crying" as you put it.

The left said it was fine that if someone's going to incite an insurrection that they are banned.

Funny how you have it that baby trump wasn't crying while he was being blocked and text added to his lies, and have it that the left were crying because they said this is correct.

Do you find that often?
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What relevance does trump have to do with regulation and accountability, he hasn't been relevant for several years.

The people advocating for free speech aren't the same as those who want their democracy protected (translation censored more).

Now that Musk is potentially buying Twitter who is largely a centrist with some socialist ideas he is being vilified as a far right nut job. To me it seems that if your not with those on the left your against. Rather than an opposing opinion, your opinion is irrelevant even if its factually correct.
 
wesimmo said:
Places like China suppress the truth, what is being advocated is suppressing lies.
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"Lies"........ As the reporting around COVID has shown, some of the things which were initially called a Lie on SM were, after more research, eventually found to be True, yet people were still "punished" by Social Media (banned etc) for spreading what eventually turned out to be true.

I think we've got to be very careful who/what we decide to be allowed to make the "it's a lie and you'll be banned if you spread it" decision. Personally it should be upto every individual to make their own decision based on as much evidence as possible, but I also understand that'll lead to some folks believing a lie if it matches their own views, like for example during COVID when different medical professionals would give wildly opposing views and people would decide who to believe based on which medics views closely matched their own rather than believing which one was "true".
 
MadMossy said:
What relevance does trump have to do with regulation and accountability, he hasn't been relevant for several years.

The people advocating for free speech aren't the same as those who want their democracy protected (translation censored more).

Now that Musk is potentially buying Twitter who is largely a centrist with some socialist ideas he is being vilified as a far right nut job. To me it seems that if your not with those on the left your against. Rather than an opposing opinion, your opinion is irrelevant even if its factually correct.
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I haven't even mentioned Trump, I try to speak in general terms about how and why free speech is important despite the risks of hearing "false" speech and they just bring it back to Trump, how their feelings are hurt, how people get hurt, won't someone think of the children, etc. I mean if people don't understand why free speech is important in a Democracy then really they should be back in high school studying history, not debating adults on the internet.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Give it a rest dowie, its just boring now. I bet you've never once admitted you were wrong, probably a point of pride for you. It really is nothing to be proud of.
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That’s just objectively false, the only thing you’ve highlighted is something that was readily apparent and acknowledged. You couldn’t address the questions posed to you, couldn’t put forward an argument for an alternative and you’re just outright lying now given that I was quite happy to be wrong, fully open about it and happily took a correction from a different poster.

If you want me to give it a rest then stop quoting me and wilfully misunderstanding what I’ve said or even just flat out lying about me.
 
ianh said:
"Lies"........ As the reporting around COVID has shown, some of the things which were initially called a Lie on SM were, after more research, eventually found to be True, yet people were still "punished" by Social Media (banned etc) for spreading what eventually turned out to be true.

I think we've got to be very careful who/what we decide to be allowed to make the "it's a lie and you'll be banned if you spread it" decision. Personally it should be upto every individual to make their own decision based on as much evidence as possible, but I also understand that'll lead to some folks believing a lie if it matches their own views, like for example during COVID when different medical professionals would give wildly opposing views and people would decide who to believe based on which medics views closely matched their own rather than believing which one was "true".
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That something is difficult or the solution will be imperfect isn't an excuse to do nothing.

I'd like to see evidence of people being banned on mass for sharing debated medical advice as opposed to absolute rubbish well into the pandemic.

And yes it would be great if people could be trusted to filter lies out, but as much as you'd like that to be the case, it has been proven time and again how critical the £350m lie was in convincing those who aren't able to work out lies to vote for a self harming Brexit.
 
Roar87 said:
I haven't even mentioned Trump, I try to speak in general terms about how and why free speech is important despite the risks of hearing "false" speech and they just bring it back to Trump, how their feelings are hurt, how people get hurt, won't someone think of the children, etc. I mean if people don't understand why free speech is important in a Democracy then really they should be back in high school studying history, not debating adults on the internet.
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It wasn't aimed at you, I agree with your view, people keep bringin up Trump, he left office 2 years ago, he has no influence as to what is happening today. It's much like those who keep on bringing up Brexit as the cause for all of the worlds problems today, that **** happened 6 years ago.
 
MadMossy said:
It wasn't aimed at you, I agree with your view, people keep bringin up Trump, he left office 2 years ago, he has no influence as to what is happening today. It's much like those who keep on bringing up Brexit as the cause for all of the worlds problems today, that **** happened 6 years ago.
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Why is Brexit now irrelevant? Anybody who understood the situation knew it would lead to long term issues for us, so that the issues are actually continuing to impact us long term is surely a reason to keep reminding people of the danger of such lies?
 
Apex said:
lol did you already forget what you wrote a couple posts back? I can't be bothered to refresh your memory on something simple. if you do remember, then your quote question doesn't really seem relevant.
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No I haven't forgotten, Trump wanted regulation and accountability and the left fought tooth and nail against that, now the tables have turned and someone who is willing and able to do just that is in charge and now the left are against it as it would destroy democracy apparently. So which is it as it can't be both.
 
The reason Trump and Brexit come up so readily in relation to topics like this is because they are the two most politically ridiculous things the western world has done in recent history, and both were voted for based on complete and utter lies/nonsense.
 
MadMossy said:
No I haven't forgotten, Trump wanted regulation and accountability and the left fought tooth and nail against that, now the tables have turned and someone who is willing and able to do just that is in charge and now the left are against it as it would destroy democracy apparently. So which is it as it can't be both.
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So trump is relevant to the post/point you made 4 posts back.

The final horse has crossed the line.

Then you go "why do people bring up trump" and you lot circle jerk as you cry all day about it.
 
MadMossy said:
Wait weren't the left wing crying when other people called for big tech regulation
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you mention the left were crying...
Apex said:
What you've (almost definitely purposefully) forgotten, is that trump was "crying"
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i correct you...

and then the crying ensues...

MadMossy said:
What relevance does trump have to do with regulation and accountability
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Roar87 said:
I haven't even mentioned Trump
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MadMossy said:
people keep bringin up Trump
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wesimmo said:
Why is Brexit now irrelevant? Anybody who understood the situation knew it would lead to long term issues for us, so that the issues are actually continuing to impact us long term is surely a reason to keep reminding people of the danger of such lies?
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A lot of people that voted for brexit like myself were not paying attention to "the lies" and knew the actual implementation would be disastrous, so bleating on about it serves no actual purpose other than to reinforce the leave perspective even more to a typical voter. Ironically it has the opposite effect to what a lot of remainers believe.
 
Energize said:
so bleating on about it serves no actual purpose other than to reinforce the leave perspective even more to a typical voter. Ironically it has the opposite effect to what a lot of remainers believe.
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"Keep telling me I am wrong and showing me why I'm wrong, and i will only get more stubborn and set in my beliefs"

How mature.
 
Jono8 said:
"Keep telling me I am wrong and showing me why I'm wrong, and i will only get more stubborn and set in my beliefs"

How mature.
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It's kind of irrelevant what you think, that is the attitude of the typical voter on any given issue, so it's counterproductive to complain about it, but as someone who voted for brexit people like you are keeping support for it strong so I welcome it.
 
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