The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Colonel_Klinck said:
Give the antifa line a rest dowie. Yes you hoped he'd turn out to be the boogeyman that is antifa and you'd be gloating now but he isn't and you were so wrong.
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Again another straw man argument, I'm wrong about a claim you've made up on my behalf because you're incapable of simply having a discussion based on what I actually said.

Back in reality I was right to challenge the people denying the police were called, speculating this was a random person, denying these were temporary plates... etc.. and frankly people focused on the hoodie alone were being a bit silly too.

I'm not sure people were generally making the argument this was a Grimes stalker until *after* that news story emerged - the posts I'd been replying to mostly seemed to be focused on downplaying the incident with those denials I've mentioned.
 
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dowie said:
People not grasping the point re: the Antifa style disguise/outfit - the guy was literally wearing a face covering too but instead I just got replies fixated on dark hoodies.
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So it's the face covering that makes someone Antifia?

dowie said:
Why not discuss what I've actually argued when you're quoting me instead of just throwing in badly thought-out BS and then claiming a "dowiehole"?
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dowie said:
Yes afterward... so don't try and claim that some straw man about Antifa is the only thing being argued here there were multiple denials in this thread which have been addressed.
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Yeah, that’s how debates work. You make a mistake/get proven wrong and you admit it and move on like Matt did.

You should try it some time. :D


dowie said:
Him being antifa or not wasn't the point though! Him not being a random person was the point!
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Define “not a random person”. If the point had nothing to do with him being Antifa, why even bring up the fact that he looked like Antifa?!

If you’d just said “I bet he’s a crazy stalker”, everyone would have agreed with you.
 
dowie said:
Sure, just makeup straw man arguments all over again.

Denials the police were called, implications the incident was fake/Elon doesn't want a felony for a fake report. Denials the plates were temporary.

People not grasping the point re: the Antifa style disguise/outfit - the guy was literally wearing a face covering too but instead I just got replies fixated on dark hoodies.

And even now when it's been pointed out that whether or not he was in fact Antifa or not wasn't the point you still try and make out like it was as though it was part of that claim somehow.

Why not discuss what I've actually argued when you're quoting me instead of just throwing in badly thought-out BS and then claiming a "dowiehole"?
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I call House on my Dowie bingo card.
 
dowie said:
Again another straw man argument, I'm wrong about a claim you've made up on my behalf because you're incapable of simply having a discussion based on what I actually said.

Back in reality I was right to challenge the people denying the police were called, speculating this was a random person, denying these were temporary plates... etc.. and frankly people focused on the hoodie alone were being a bit silly too.

I'm not sure people were generally making the argument this was a Grimes stalker until *after* that news story emerged - the posts I'd been replying to mostly seemed to be focused on downplaying the incident with those denials I've mentioned.
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This is so dowie hole. You implied he was antifa by the way he was dressed and are using the weak get out clause that you didn't actually state he's antifa. If I say that guy looks like antifa then I'm saying I think he's antifa without actually saying those words. Semantics isn't saving you here, you keep digging that hole though.

And Elon being a target of antifa?
 
Irish_Tom said:
You should try it some time. :D
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Well maybe if you paid attention you could point some out.

Irish_Tom said:
Define “not a random person”.
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As in he's not some random member of the public who happened to have some encounter, road rage incident etc..

Irish_Tom said:
If the point had nothing to do with him being Antifa, why even bring up the fact that he looked like Antifa?!
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Because of what it looked like! I've already explained that in a few posts now... see also the temporary plates, they're not inherently criminal etc.. This guy turned up in the antifa style disguise, he's wearing a face mask inside his car FFS! He's got some temporary plates on the car... are you guys really not following why that would be a serious concern to the security team and to Elon.

They don't know whether he is or isn't antifa or a member of some other group or a stalker etc.. but he's dressed up like that and he's in a car with temp plates and it doesn't seem like a random encounter!

Irish_Tom said:
If you’d just said “I bet he’s a crazy stalker”, everyone would have agreed with you.
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Clearly not true, people would have argued the toss over that too just as they argued over the police not being called because of something re: a report not being filed etc..
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
You implied he was antifa by the way he was dressed and are using the weak get out clause that you didn't actually state he's antifa.
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No, you're just lazy and can't argue so you're frustrated I didn't make some flawed claim that you can dunk on... I didn't claim he was antifa because how would I know that he was? It was quite plausible that he was but the point was re: how it looked.

Context, loads of people were downplaying the incident and coming out with all sorts of nonsense about how maybe the police weren't called, maybe this was made up, maybe it was random etc..
 
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Oh man the copium from the Elon bros is delicious! "its the deep state Elon, don't leave us!"


He was more than happy with the polls that went his way of course, didn't call those results into question. Its almost like the right has issues with votes they lose, 2020 says hi.
 
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dowie said:
Context, loads of people were downplaying the incident and coming out with all sorts of nonsense about how maybe the police weren't called, maybe this was made up, maybe it was random etc..
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I think most posters didn't buy Elons claims that this guy used the ElonJet to find the car and that there was something fishy with the story

police in both LA and South Pasadena - the location of the incident - said there was 'no evidence' that Collado's apparent tailing of the car linked to Musk was related to the jet-tracking account @elonjet
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This fishy bit was that it was 25 miles away from the airport and about 23 hours after the last ElonJet tweet. I'm assuming Elon had those details and still went after the Jet trackers in a fit of rage (somewhat understandable if his kid was in the car)

So while it was infact a stalker, he was in that location knowing that that's where Grimes lives
 
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dowie said:
No, you're just lazy and can't argue so you're frustrated I didn't make some flawed claim that you can dunk on... I didn't claim he was antifa because how would I know that he was? It was quite plausible that he was but the point was re: how it looked.

Context, loads of people were downplaying the incident and coming out with all sorts of nonsense about how maybe the police weren't called, maybe this was made up, maybe it was random etc..
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We aren't arguing about people saying it was staged, that has zero to do with this. All I am talking about is you and your antifa claim. It didn't look like it was an antifa attack, only in your head did it look like that.

And for the 3rd time where is your evidence Elon is a target of antifa?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
All I am talking about is you and your antifa claim. It didn't look like it was an antifa attack, only in your head did it look like that.
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I think you're just in denial here or trolling, I mean I've posted pictures earlier you can go back and see the visual comparison being made.

Colonel_Klinck said:
And for the 3rd time where is your evidence Elon is a target of antifa?
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There have been reports of that and tweets (especially after he deleted some prominent antifa accounts), he's now a target.
 
dowie said:
...I mean I've posted pictures earlier you can go back and see the visual comparison being made.
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Simple yes, no...

When i nip to Waitrose in my black hoodie, cap and wear my black covid mask, does that mean in your lil' brain i'm Antifa? Given that i look visually comparable to the image you posted.
 
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