The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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dowie said:
No, I'm making a straight comparison between the issue you highlighted in that post. Now you're adding in some additional comment about him being POTUS.

Surely the principle is the same regardless...
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Holding arguably the most powerful political seat in the world does make quite a bit of difference.

There is an obvious measure of seriousness (in terms of the public reaction) to allegations like he made, depending on who they come from. Coming from a nobody on twitter? Harmless. Coming from a member or two of the house? The words hold more power, but will be unlikely to get the coverage and reach to make it dangerous.

Coming from the sitting president, and backed (or at best not condemned) by the majority of the replublican party? That's a rather different story.
 
Jono8 said:
Holding arguably the most powerful political seat in the world does make quite a bit of difference.
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Why?
Jono8 said:
There is an obvious measure of seriousness (in terms of the public reaction) to allegations like he made, depending on who they come from. Coming from a nobody on twitter? Harmless. Coming from a member or two of the house? The words hold more power, but will be unlikely to get the coverage and reach to make it dangerous.

Coming from the sitting president, and backed (or at best not condemned) by the majority of the replublican party? That's a rather different story.
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Again, exactly the same argument could be applied to many other blue checkmark types and BLM riots... it's just the same argument again and again.
 
dowie said:
No, I'm making a straight comparison between the issue you highlighted in that post. Now you're adding in some additional comment about him being POTUS.

Surely the principle is the same regardless...
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The principle might be but in the real world it isn't. People in a position of power and influence should be held to a higher standard than some nobody. Speech has consequences and in Trump's case those consequences were a violent insurrection and 10s of millions of people believing democracy is dead in the US. Twitter feared he was likely to make the situation even worse and so banned him.

The idea that our leaders shouldn't be held to a higher standard is why we're got a PM who lies to the public, Parliament and our head of state with no consequences.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
The principle might be but in the real world it isn't. People in a position of power and influence should be held to a higher standard than some nobody. Speech has consequences and in Trump's case those consequences were a violent insurrection and 10s of millions of people believing democracy is dead in the US. Twitter feared he was likely to make the situation even worse and so banned him.

The idea that our leaders shouldn't be held to a higher standard is why we're got a PM who lies to the public, Parliament and our head of state with no consequences.
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No, no, you have it all wrong. The lead singer of Steel Panther has a blue check mark on the Twitter , so him telling the world the US election was rigged, would likely encourage the same reaction from the populace as the President of the United States saying it.
 
dowie said:
Yeah the BLM riots never occurred, the only thing that’s important is one riot which occurred in the Capitol…
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Slight difference though.

George Flloyd was unlawfully killed (his murderer is in jail for 22 years). The BLM riots weren't based on one ridiculous person being a sore loser that he lost an election and making up pruposterous and dangerous lies about the election being rigged.

You cannot attribute the BLM riots to any one individual telling lies because they were a bad loser. They were based on decades of racism, ignited by the spark of a blackman being unlawfully killed in the custody of police.

To be clear, i am not condoning them, just pointing out that the comparison is silly.
 
dowie said:
Yeah the BLM riots never occurred, the only thing that’s important is one riot which occurred in the Capitol…
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Most of the BLM "riots" tended to turn into "riots" after the police did things like fire at the protesters, or stopped them dispersing before curfew then attacked them for breaking curfew.

And it's odd that you bring them up, given there were more armed police at some of the BLM protests with only a few hundred people than seemed to be in place at the capitol building. And those police were more than happy to open fire on the protesters when it was BLM than they were when the capitol building was being stormed.

Not to mention that pretty much everyone "senior" who had anything to say about the BLM protests was tending to try to calm people down and constantly telling them not to resort to violence.
 
Jono8 said:
You cannot attribute the BLM riots to any one individual telling lies because they were a bad loser. They were based on decades of racism, ignited by the spark of a blackman being unlawfully killed in the custody of police.
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Doesn't matter that it's not attributable to one individual or several individuals stoking anger... they weren't based on decades of racism they were based on mostly myth these days.

Werewolf said:
Not to mention that pretty much everyone "senior" who had anything to say about the BLM protests was tending to try to calm people down and constantly telling them not to resort to violence.
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That's simply not true, plenty of public figures were stoking outrage.
 
a1ex2001 said:
I mean in terms of manipulating the current value of shares, he knew full well when he put out that tweet twitter shares would fall dramatically and low and behold they did. He has been heavily censored for this sort of thing with Tesla prices in the past
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I imagine he's not looking to make bank from this, but instead, show those in power over at twitter, that he can send their shares to the floor if they reject him and stop him. If he pulls out, they lose more than half their shares value. Do they want money, or do they want the stop Musk.

Roar87 said:
Trump was found not guilty by the Senate
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Very conveniently ignoring what has been shown to you before. It was agreed by his friends, that he was not to be punished. Big difference. You know that, but then it goes against your false point.

Roar87 said:
The media spent the years prior telling people the election was hacked by Russia, literally years of non stop fake news about Russia "hacking" the election
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The media also, still, supports the insurrection. You have users on here, supporting the "tourists" on a day out with their mum.

dowie said:
No, I'm making a straight comparison between the issue you highlighted in that post. Now you're adding in some additional comment about him being POTUS
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You aren't making a straight comparison.

dowie said:
Again, exactly the same argument could be applied to many other blue checkmark types and BLM riots... it's just the same argument again and again
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And the argument comparing trump to media supporting blm isn't accurate. Compare the media that support those who tried to stop the fair election from being certified on jan6 to those who support blm wanting change.
 
I'm just really glad that in a country we are regularly told is armed to the teeth with militias and assault rifle wielding paramilitary groups decided to storm capitol hill almost completely unarmed and in a mostly civil way keeping in guide ropes and following the tour routes.

Historians will look at this incident and will laugh at this day.

The way it is portrayed is actually completely hilarious. A bunch of idiots, clueless idiots got over excited and walked there and made idiots of themselves, getting shot, dying of hearth attacks and drug ODs.

Combine that with BLM riots daily shootings, lootings, teenage boys shooting pedophiles and rapists the USA can go **** itself.
What an utter embarrassment the country it.
WTF has actually happened to the world in the past 20 years? its flushing itself down the toilet daily.
I honestly look forward to an Islamic jihad or china waking it up.
 
Noooo Efour, that's not the narrative, you're supposed to say it was a coup and they nearly took control of the US simply because they'd invaded a building for a bit (that's how it works right?).
 
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