The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

[unwashed potato!]

For someone that doesnt care about Musk you sure do post a lot in his defence.

He's not just someone that "doesn't care about Musk", he's someone that thinks we shouldn't be posting in here.

 

[Sankari]

The honeymoon is over. Twitter 2.0 has morphed into Twitter 1.0, and MAGA cultists are turning on Musk.

Musk looks down at his list of stock responses, and chooses #3.

#1: 'Looking into it'
#2: 'Curious'
#3: 'Not sure why this happened'
#4: 'Big if true'
#5: 'Concerning'
#6: 'Very concerning'

patriots.win is taking it about as well as you'd expect.

 

[StriderX]

The thing I don't get is for countries that are about to implement huge liabilities against social media companies for content control... how does that square with keeping violent/crass trolls on Twitter?

They can hardly just block those individual accounts as that's not how it works.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

They can hardly just block those individual accounts as that's not how it works.

They can block them by username or by ip address, however we know this won’t happen. They will lose too many bots and people.

It can be done on every platform out there today.

 

[unwashed potato!]

Funny timing this one.

 

[StriderX]

I'm pretty sure the scope of that is federal?

 

[robgmun]

They can block them by username or by ip address, however we know this won’t happen.

They also block via mobile number, which is required after a few days to continue posting.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

They also block via mobile number, which is required after a few days to continue posting.

That's interesting, never knew this.

 

[dlockers]

I'm pretty sure the scope of that is federal?

And also makes a lot of sense given the line of work they're in. Click bait to froth up the left.

 

[Chris Wilson]

He's not just someone that "doesn't care about Musk", he's someone that thinks we shouldn't be posting in here.

Not at all, if you consider combing through everything Musk does and says a productive use of you time go right ahead, a lot of the comment is quite amusing.

Happy Pentecost

 

[robgmun]

That's interesting, never knew this.

Yeah but just grab a sim from your local supermarket and stick in your phone, get the text, and then swap it back. Easy to circumvent.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Yeah but just grab a sim from your local supermarket and stick in your phone, get the text, and then swap it back. Easy to circumvent.

Pretty expensive if you have to keep doing this. A lot of SIMS now you have to top up £10 minimum.

 

[Werewolf]

It looks like twitter is having fun again.

Apparently people are going from normal to suspended to normal with refreshes, getting "your account has been suspended" emails without being suspended, are being told they've got no followers/aren't following anyone, and tweets with certain types of images seem to be breaking the ability for them to post (if they try and post an image with a gif for example it stops the tweet going though, and later ones going through until it's removed).

Was today the day Musk was going to "free up" a load of "dormant" account names, or is he just unplugging stuff at random again?

 

[Sankari]

I'm pretty sure the scope of that is federal?

State.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662105814654414849

And also makes a lot of sense given the line of work they're in. Click bait to froth up the left.

Ironically, it's frothing up the right as much as anyone else.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662232710939656194

It looks like twitter is having fun again.

Apparently people are going from normal to suspended to normal with refreshes, getting "your account has been suspended" emails without being suspended, are being told they've got no followers/aren't following anyone, and tweets with certain types of images seem to be breaking the ability for them to post (if they try and post an image with a gif for example it stops the tweet going though, and later ones going through until it's removed).

Was today the day Musk was going to "free up" a load of "dormant" account names, or is he just unplugging stuff at random again?

'Looking into it.'

 

[StriderX]

State.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662105814654414849

Ironically, it's frothing up the right as much as anyone else.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662232710939656194

'Looking into it.'

If they're launching from Cape Canaveral then I don't see how Florida is even relevant, it's USAF land.

 

[Zuma]

If they're launching from Cape Canaveral then I don't see how Florida is even relevant, it's USAF land.

They also launch from texas. That's where the testing site is.

 

[Sankari]

If they're launching from Cape Canaveral then I don't see how Florida is even relevant, it's USAF land.

I'm not sure of the legal details, but however it works, the state government is responsible. The new legislation provides protection for all commercial space companies, not just SpaceX.

The Spaceflight Entity Liability Bill expands legal immunities that will shield private space companies, like Musk’s SpaceX and Jeff Bezos’s Blue Origin, from legal responsibility when workers suffer injuries or even die. At its core, the bill broadens when these companies are exempted “from liability for injury to or death of a crew resulting from spaceflight activities.”

And Musk made sure his presence was known throughout the process of the bill. While the bill was advancing through both the state House and Senate, a SpaceX lobbyist, Jeffrey Sharkey, appeared at practically every single committee meeting related to it—lobbying members on at least five separate occasions, in five different state House committees.

Other lobbyists from Boeing, Space Florida, and Florida Rising also made their presence known—but not to the extent SpaceX did.

..The bill mandates “crew” and participants alike fill out a waiver that grants legal immunities to space companies in cases of injury or death.

Moreover, the bill expands the definition of “spaceflight entity” to include any entity authorized to conduct spaceflight activities, beyond ones solely associated with the United States Federal Aviation Administration, opening up which entities in the broader industry will qualify for the expanded immunity.

The bill also cuts out language ascribing liability to spaceflight entities for damage caused from “inherent risks” of spaceflight activity; instead, the bill broadens the scope of liability immunity to include all spaceflight activities.

Finally, the bill also amends language that orders entities to be liable for injury if they had actual knowledge, or reasonably should have known, of risks. The new language only orders legal liability for “actual knowledge” of risks, meaning there is no longer any expectation for companies to be responsible for damages from risks they “reasonably should have known” about.

(Source).

This bill is a libertarian's dream.

 

[Werewolf]

It certainly sounds like the twitter spaces farce was worth it for Musk, given DeSantos has basically said "lol safety" and as long as Musk doesn't have it written down anywhere that Space X knew of a risk he's fine no matter how many people get killed he's going to be fine.

On the flip side at least for now Musk will still have to abide by FAA rules in regards to safety, and they can still ground him regardless of where in the US he tries to fly a death trap from.

It's basically qualified immunity for anything to do with space related activities, including if i'm reading that right those on the ground in the likes of manufacturing where there is no "inherent" risk beyond what is normal in any heavy industry, so someone gets killed on the factory floor and he's relatively safe. No wonder it appeals to him given what was apparently going on at the Tesla plants in California etc.

 

[Begbie]

It is a strange one really, surely there will still be a responsibility of negilence is proven?

Much the same way of NASA or even a air force pilot would die in a mission?

 

[Roar87]

It certainly sounds like the twitter spaces farce was worth it for Musk, given DeSantos has basically said "lol safety" and as long as Musk doesn't have it written down anywhere that Space X knew of a risk he's fine no matter how many people get killed he's going to be fine.

On the flip side at least for now Musk will still have to abide by FAA rules in regards to safety, and they can still ground him regardless of where in the US he tries to fly a death trap from.

It's basically qualified immunity for anything to do with space related activities, including if i'm reading that right those on the ground in the likes of manufacturing where there is no "inherent" risk beyond what is normal in any heavy industry, so someone gets killed on the factory floor and he's relatively safe. No wonder it appeals to him given what was apparently going on at the Tesla plants in California etc.

This whole post reeks of negativity.

The Bill signed changes some definitions. You can go read it, not that most of the lazy people here would actually bother doing some minimal research but here you go

https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/839/Analyses/h0839e.JDC.PDF

The immunity from liability granted to the spaceflight entity by a participant signing such a waiver does not apply if the spaceflight entity:
- Commits an act or omission that constitutes gross negligence or willful or wanton disregard for the safety of the participant which proximately causes the injury or death of the participant;
- Has actual knowledge or reasonably should have known of a dangerous condition on the land or in the facilities or equipment used in the spaceflight activities which proximately causes the injury or death of the participant; or
- Intentionally injures the participant.

So in this thread it's being made out as if Elon Musk or SpaceX can go "lol safety" and send people up in "death traps" because he hosted Ron DeSantis on a Twitter space, where as actually that is completely made up and spread as fact by the hate brigade.