The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

[C Kent]

Think you miss my point.
Comparing a new platform that starts at zero, its going to be hard to not see increasing volumes every week.

Starting a platform at a massive level its not going to follow the same trend.

The main issue for any new platform is getting going.

Twitter took over 5 years to reach 100M users. Would you prefer 5 days or 5 years if you were launching a new platform?

My point was, Roars response was basically typical for him. A strange take on a situation because it hasn't happened before that I know of. So you cannot draw a parallel.

How Long it Took for Popular Apps to Reach 100 Million Users

Threads reached 100 million users in just five days. Here is a timeline of how long other popular platforms took to reach the milestone.

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Yes but roars point is still a valid one, I highly doubt user engagement was shrinking when twitter launched, or any of the others in your link and yet it is with threads. Also worth noting that even though sign ups for threads are approx a third of twitter currently, the traffic actually pulled away from twitter sits at around 5%. Which again would indicate that the folks leaving Twitter is minuscule in reality - either that or they are 2 different markets, which judging from ig's user base could well be true.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Yes but roars point is still a valid one, I highly doubt user engagement was shrinking when twitter launched, or any of the others in your link and yet it is with threads.

Well I suppose if all you are worried about is a trend line.

Personally I would take getting to 100M users in record time.

Its still daft because there is no data to compare for relativity.

The next time a platform launches like this they will able to compare to threads.

Its hard to go down when you start at zero. No?

I mean in the real world its literally why growth by acquisition is way more accepted way to grow than try to grow organically.
Buy gravity.
Which is also why Musk bought twitter and didn't start from scratch himself.

 

[C Kent]

This woman is gold hahaha

that would be the online harassment that she herself started by actually doxxing the woman running the libsoftiktok account ..

 

[C Kent]

Well I suppose if all you are worried about is a trend line.

Personally I would take getting to 100M users in record time.

Its still daft because there is no data to compare for relativity.

The next time a platform launches like this they will able to compare to threads.

Its hard to go down when you start at zero. No?

I mean in the real world its literally why growth by acquisition is way more accepted way to grow than try to grow organically.
Buy gravity.
Which is also why Musk bought twitter and didn't start from scratch himself.

so user engagement is super duper important when it shows twitter on a downward trend (folks posting about that cloudflare data last sunday for instance), but when it's another platform suddenly it's not all that important really? At least pick a position and be consistent lads.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

so user engagement is super duper important when it shows twitter on a downward trend (folks posting about that cloudflare data last sunday for instance), but when it's another platform suddenly it's not all that important really? At least pick a position and be consistent lads.

I am me, not a group.

Other people can come to their own conclusions.

I expect twitter engagement to continue to go up, unless Musk does something daft, like you know, limiting tweets etc.
I expect that threads engagement may well have peaked for a while. Its clearly got a long way to go.
Launched too early maybe.

Engage others in their own conversations, don't mistake me as accepting or agreeing with everything they say just because I am at times saying "bad things" about Musk.
I am really not interested in that at all.

 

[C Kent]

I am me, not a group.

Other people can come to their own conclusions.

I expect twitter engagement to continue to go up, unless Musk does something daft, like you know, limiting tweets etc.
I expect that threads engagement may well have peaked for a while. Its clearly got a long way to go.
Launched too early maybe.

Engage others in their own conversations, don't mistake me as accepting or agreeing with everything they say just because I am at times saying "bad things" about Musk.
I am really not interested in that at all.

Apologies I wasn't specifically trying to call you out as it were. I kinda hoped the 'lads' element of my post would have made that clear.

 

[unwashed potato!]

Any different from those proclaiming the end is nigh for twitter in here when threads and it's sign ups were dominating tech news?

But the end is night for twitter of threads over takes it. Do you see a future where there are 2 twitters? With one being bigger than the other? I don't. If threads ofer takes twitter, that is the end for twitter. I still view that as correct and believe it to be the case.

It would be the same for MySpace and Facebook. While the Facebook had less users, you could confidently say, if Facebook ofer takes MySpace, that'll be the end of MySpace, as users won't want to go to 2/3 different sites of the same style, they will want 1 and be done with it.

 

[C Kent]

But the end is night for twitter of threads over takes it. Do you see a future where there are 2 twitters? With one being bigger than the other? I don't. If threads ofer takes twitter, that is the end for twitter. I still view that as correct and believe it to be the case.

It would be the same for MySpace and Facebook. While the Facebook had less users, you could confidently say, if Facebook ofer takes MySpace, that'll be the end of MySpace, as users won't want to go to 2/3 different sites of the same style, they will want 1 and be done with it.

Facebook was an improvement over myspace in every way possible though, interface/features/ease of use, you name it facebook was the superior product. threads currently is an inferior product in every way apart from having the potential inbuilt user count through its ig integration. I'll ask you the same question I've asked a few times now and haven't received a reply to :

How many of those sign ups will wait and come back? When something launches and it doesn't even offer the same 'value' as an existing product it will quite often go the way of the dodo.

 

[StriderX]

Twitter hasn't quite reached Youtube levels of necessity in life nor Facebook levels of being boomerised so it can fairly easily be replaced with a bit of momentum and especially so if Twitter keeps fumbling with it's userbase. Of course this entirely depends on Threads developing fast enough to get rid of it's teething problems which is currently unknown so who knows.

When you rely on the attention of fleeting youth to keep afloat it's doomed from the beginning to wither away to nothing.

 

[Tony Edwards]

But the end is night for twitter of threads over takes it. Do you see a future where there are 2 twitters? With one being bigger than the other? I don't. If threads ofer takes twitter, that is the end for twitter. I still view that as correct and believe it to be the case.

It would be the same for MySpace and Facebook. While the Facebook had less users, you could confidently say, if Facebook ofer takes MySpace, that'll be the end of MySpace, as users won't want to go to 2/3 different sites of the same style, they will want 1 and be done with it.

The best thing Musk could do now would be to allow non account users view Twitter again.

 

[visibleman]

Facebook was an improvement over myspace in every way possible though, interface/features/ease of use, you name it facebook was the superior product.

Initially in 2005/early 2006, the features were very similar to MySpace other than (really) the ability to 'poke' friends and inability to allow users to customise your profile page (which you could do on MySpace through HTML etc). Which is why a lot of us (i signed up July 2006) kept MySpace.
It took Facebook a few years from late 2006, when they opened the platform to the masses (you needed a uni or college email address prior to that), to late 2009/early 2010 for them to add enough differentiating features for FB to over take MySpace in terms of user base.

Threads currently is an inferior product in every way apart from having the potential inbuilt user count through its ig integration.

I would say 'inferior' is a bit strong but it certainly doesn't have the same feature set as Twitter. But, give them a year or 18 months, and i suspect that disparity between the platforms will be a lot narrower.

 

[Tony Edwards]

I would say 'inferior' is a bit strong but it certainly doesn't have the same feature set as Twitter. But, give them a year or 18 months, and i suspect that disparity between the platforms will be a lot narrower.

Give Musk another year to 18 months and all those features will be gone anyway.

 

[wesimmo]

Threads is doing exactly what you'd expect. They had a big advantage with an existing user base, so of course they saw a lot of sign ups and engagement early on. It was frictionless entry for most people and had a lot of publicity.

But you'd also expect to see a drop off, because it was so easy to sign up there was bound to be a lot of casual interest. What would be more comparable is looking at early Twitter data for sign ups vs early engagement at a % level as they grew, I bet you'd see a similar effect.

The problem Threads has is they launched without the focused feed, Musk changing that in Twitter had been badly received, it seems daft to have launched without that.

And also DMs. If you can't engage with a company on Twitter and then go to DM then it loses a big use case for many people.

 

[C Kent]

I would say 'inferior' is a bit strong but it certainly doesn't have the same feature set as Twitter. But, give them a year or 18 months, and i suspect that disparity between the platforms will be a lot narrower.

Threads has a huge amount of work to do to match the current twitter product though: desktop app, web application, dm's, timelines, hashtags, trending news etc. Not to mention it needs to comply with the EU's digital markets act. While it's playing catch up twitter is free to expand on what it does.

You could argue that it launched too early given how basic the app is, it was always going to do excellent numbers regarding sign ups in its first week or so given its tied to IG.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Threads has a huge amount of work to do to match the current twitter product though: desktop app, web application, dm's, timelines, hashtags, trending news etc. Not to mention it needs to comply with the EU's digital markets act. While it's playing catch up twitter is free to expand on what it does.

You could argue that it launched too early given how basic the app is, it was always going to do excellent numbers regarding sign ups in its first week or so given its tied to IG.

Well Roar kept telling us no publicity was bad publicity when elon was ******* everything up so maybe threads is taking that approach.

1) Launch with poor product. loads of publicity.
2) Improve product a lot, trigger loads of publicity of how its tramsformed.
3) Launch desktop app in terrible format. loads of publicity.
4) rework destop app into something amazing, loads of publicity.
...
201) Profit.

I don't think I need to list all 200 stages

 

[unwashed potato!]

How many of those sign ups will wait and come back? When something launches and it doesn't even offer the same 'value' as an existing product it will quite often go the way of the dodo

But you're viewing it with your biased mindset, not looking for truth, but for reassurance that threads isn't a threat, trying to find ways to download an app that has got 110 million users signed up in 1.5 weeks, grew percent in a few days.

The reality is, that people know threads is new, and features clearly are on their way. People are signed up to threads, ready for when it's feature full. it's obvious that threads will have a desktop version, will intergrate with other apps, will have all what is expected of it, especially as it's backed by meta. This isn't a new start up.

What's funny is that the last year has been endless **** ups from elon, and you try to play the idea that people don't care, and then meta release a new app, get 110 million users in record breaking days, and you like to play that meta has clocked up and people are do care and are leaving.

Time will tell, but I'm still certain, that once threads over takes twitter, that is the end of twitter.

And after all this, surely you're wanting strong competition? Doesn't competition help us? The only one that loses from competition is elon. You must want threads to be a strong competitor. Content creators are finally starting to get paid from twitter. This may increase quicker and more generously due to competition. What's the issue?

Obviously roar needs to write "here's why Elon is great lol", "here's what I think to cope lol", "here's why thread is dead lol", but you don't need to be like roar. Be more open to the idea that threads is doing record breaking signs up and users know that it's still essentially a beta app.

 

[C Kent]

But you're viewing it with your biased mindset,

How exactly is anything i said biased?

not looking for truth, but for reassurance that threads isn't a threat, trying to find ways to download an app that has got 110 million users signed up in 1.5 weeks, grew percent in a few days.

Says the guy that proudly proclaimed the end is nigh for twitter? Someone is viewing this with a bias mindset sure, it just isn't me.

Also worth noting that even though sign ups for threads are approx a third of twitter currently, the traffic actually pulled away from twitter sits at around 5%. Which again would indicate that the folks leaving Twitter is minuscule in reality - either that or they are 2 different markets, which judging from ig's user base could well be true.

The reality is, that people know threads is new, and features clearly are on their way. People are signed up to threads, ready for when it's feature full. it's obvious that threads will have a desktop version, will intergrate with other apps, will have all what is expected of it, especially as it's backed by meta. This isn't a new start up.

What's funny is that the last year has been endless **** ups from elon, and you try to play the idea that people don't care, and then meta release a new app, get 110 million users in record breaking days, and you like to play that meta has clocked up and people are do care and are leaving.

Endless **** ups by musk and yet it continuously sets new records for user activity you mean? Hate to break it you but the average user couldn't give 2 ***** about what musk says or does.

Time will tell, but I'm still certain, that once threads over takes twitter, that is the end of twitter.

That would be the bias mindset you've just accused me of having

And after all this, surely you're wanting strong competition? Doesn't competition help us? The only one that loses from competition is elon. You must want threads to be a strong competitor.

Lack of reading skills? I've said exactly that...

Obviously roar needs to write "here's why Elon is great lol", "here's what I think to cope lol", "here's why thread is dead lol", but you don't need to be like roar.

Yawn

 

[unwashed potato!]

Says the guy that proudly proclaimed the end is nigh for twitter? Someone is viewing this with a bias mindset sure, it just isn't me

So you disagree and think that if threads over takes twitter for users, that this isn't the end of twitter? Why do you think other wise?

 

[unwashed potato!]

Lack of reading skills? I've said exactly that

Who said you didn't? Why are you questioning your own reading skills? Weird thing to do. Is this that thing you do when someone else says something about you, but you make up in your head that everyone is saying that about you?

Oh and BTW, I might as well say it, try reading what was said.

I posted something we are in agreement about. Surely we both want strong competition.

Endless **** ups by musk and yet it continuously sets new records for user activity you mean? Hate to break it you but the average user couldn't give 2 ***** about what musk says or does

You've blanked the whole last week of threads. Honestly, a direct competitor that you can ignore for now might be BlueSky (not that I understand it to be a direct competitor), but threads, with record braking sign ups, you can dismiss it as just being the IG crowd, but you do that with your own bias, as there's nothing to suggest anything like that has happened. I didn't use IG and go oh wow IG have made another app, let's sign up. Threads just happens to be ways to sign up due to IG account being used, but at the same time, it's currently holding back the real amount of users that would sign up but don't have an if account already. Just the same as the Facebook held back with only allowing uni emails to sign up.

Threads is breaking records for users in a short space of time. This isn't disagreeable. Threads is new. Twitter has great sentiment against it. Even on lbc the chatter by presenters is, threads threads threads.

 

[C Kent]

So you disagree and think that if threads over takes twitter for users, that this isn't the end of twitter? Why do you think other wise?

Why do you seem so certain it will? threads with 1/3 of the users of twitter managed to pull 5% of twitters traffic, 5%. There is either no one using it or it's 2 different markets, which one do you think is more likely?

Who said you didn't? Why are you questioning your own reading skills? Weird thing to do. Is this that thing you do when someone else says something about you, but you make up in your head that everyone is saying that about you?

You posed the question to me!!! Surely if you are asking a question of someone that means you are unaware of the stance/answer that has already been given, what other possible reason is there to ask it otherwise?!!

You've blanked the whole last week of threads. Honestly, a direct competitor that you can ignore for now might be BlueSky (not that I understand it to be a direct competitor), but threads, with record braking sign ups, you can dismiss it as just being the IG crowd, but you do that with your own bias, as there's nothing to suggest anything like that has happened.

Not at all, the last week was a circle jerk amongst the usual about threads, some gloating that twitter traffic had fallen when compared to 4 months ago (why not the start of the year, or the same time last year as a comparison is something i guess we'll never know..)

I didn't use IG and go oh wow IG have made another app, let's sign up. Threads just happens to be ways to sign up due to IG account being used, but at the same time, it's currently holding back the real amount of users that would sign up but don't have an if account already. Just the same as the Facebook held back with only allowing uni emails to sign up.

No you signed up because you are massively vocal about how bad twitter is in your opinion. There's a massive difference between signing up for threads via an IG account and facebook being uni only at 1st.

Threads is breaking records for users in a short space of time. This isn't disagreeable.

never said it wasnt

Threads is new. Twitter has great sentiment against it. Even on lbc the chatter by presenters is, threads threads threads.

the new social media platform that has already lost A) 20% of its user engagement in the space of a few days and B) 50% of the time those that do bother to engage spend on the platform. Neither of those are a good look - hell, you'd be laughing your **** off if twitter was doing similar figures.