The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

[unwashed potato!]

No you signed up because you are massively vocal about how bad twitter is in your opinion

Thanks. Good to know. BTW you've misspelt Elon

why not the start of the year, or the same time last year as a comparison is something i guess we'll never know.

I don't know but you're again listening to the voices in your head and pretend as though that's something someone else has said to make a fake point.

You posed the question to me

Nope, check again. Take your time and slowly read. I never questioned your reading skills until after you claimed I had, and I questioned them, because you made up that I claimed you had poor reading skills. You know that thing you do when someone else says something to you, and then you bunch it together with someone else and claim they said it to you.

twitter managed to pull 5% of twitters traffic

What does that even mean? Ive not shared this info nor are you explain it well.

 

[Begbie]

What does that even mean? Ive not shared this info nor are you explain it well.

threads with 1/3 of the users of twitter managed to pull 5% of twitters traffic, 5%.

Why not include the whole sentence?

Its not that hard to understand, unsure if true though, if you include all the words.

 

[unwashed potato!]

threads with 1/3 of the users of twitter managed to pull 5% of twitters traffic, 5%.

Why not include the whole sentence?

Its not that hard to understand, unsure if true though, if you include all the words.

Nope you're not clear. You've just repeated the exact words. Weird as rather than expand on it, you just repeated what someone else said. I don't think I could be more bored than reading when you post. Do you have any real input on anything here?

Perhaps you can try and define the word pull.

 

[C Kent]

Thanks. Good to know. BTW you've misspelt Elon

We both know I meant Elon

i don't know but you're again listening to the voices in your head and pretend as though that's something someone else has said to make a fake point.

Standard nonsense from you, I honestly don't know why I expect more from you. You'd think i'd have learnt better by now.

Nope, check again. Take your time and slowly read. I never questioned your reading skills until after you claimed I had, and I questioned them, because you made up that I claimed you had poor reading skills. You know that thing you do when someone else says something to you, and then you bunch it together with someone else and claim they said it to you.

jesus christ, your post stated:

"And after all this, surely you're wanting strong competition? Doesn't competition help us? The only one that loses from competition is elon. You must want threads to be a strong competitor."

You've literally asked me 2 questions (really it's the same one just dressed up differently), that someone else had previously asked and I had answered in post 13476. Your lack of reading skills comes from the inability to read the damn thread, as usual.

What does that even mean? Ive not shared this info nor are you explain it well.

do what? so you do lack reading skills.

 

[unwashed potato!]

You've literally asked me 2 questions (really it's the same one just dressed up differently), that someone else had previously asked and I had answered in post 13476. Your lack of reading skills comes from the inability to read the damn thread, as usual

Check again. You must have misquoted, but you quoted the part where I was replying to your silly comment about you getting defensive about your reading skills, while I hadn't mentioned it once then, and then you said in posed that question to you.

Seems now you meant to quote the part what I asked you about competition, and then say in posed that question to you. That's correct.

But you got silly and pretended I said you thought it was bad. When in fact, I was trying to show we have common ground, we can agree over all, as much as we bicker about this and that, we both agree that competition is good, and I think we agree threads is the strongest competition.

You then went silly and started going on about reading blah blah blah. And then Begbie had to jump in and write something I've already forgotten.

Ice asked you to expand on the twitter/threads/5 percent comment, and so far, neither of you have even tried, but instead, when given the floor to expand further kn that brief comment you made, you've avoided it.

Why don't you define the part when you said threads pulled 5% from twitter. Define "pull from twitter"

 

[C Kent]

Check again. You must have misquoted, but you quoted the part where I was replying to your silly comment about you getting defensive about your reading skills, while I hadn't mentioned it once then, and then you said in posed that question to you.

Seems now you meant to quote the part what I asked you about competition, and then say in posed that question to you. That's correct.

But you got silly and pretended I said you thought it was bad. When in fact, I was trying to show we have common ground, we can agree over all, as much as we bicker about this and that, we both agree that competition is good, and I think we agree threads is the strongest competition.

You then went silly and started going on about reading blah blah blah. And then Begbie had to jump in and write something I've already forgotten.

Christ dude, follow the thread for crying out loud. My comment regarding your lack of reading ability was in direct response to you asking me whether competition was good, which i had already answered but you didnt know because you hadn't read the post in question!

Ice asked you to expand on the twitter/threads/5 percent comment, and so far, neither of you have even tried, but instead, when given the floor to expand further kn that brief comment you made, you've avoided it.

Why don't you define the part when you said threads pulled 5% from twitter. Define "pull from twitter"

Anyway, yes, its a very simple statement to grasp. The full line you attempted to quote (but butchered) reads as follows:

threads with 1/3 of the users of twitter managed to pull 5% of twitters traffic, 5%.

Since the launch of threads twitters web traffic was down 5% compared to the previous week aka, threads has 1/3 of the user base of twitter, but has only 'pulled' 5% of the daily web traffic away that twitter usually experiences.

Maybe reading it like a haiku will help if you are struggling?

Since the launch of threads
Twitters web traffic was down about 5%
compared to the previous week.

 

[unwashed potato!]

Christ dude, follow the thread for crying out loud. My comment regarding your lack of reading ability was in direct response to you asking me whether competition was good, which i had already answered but you didnt know because you hadn't read the post in question!

Anyway, yes, its a very simple statement to grasp. The full line you attempted to quote (but butchered) reads as follows:



Since the launch of threads twitters web traffic was down 5% compared to the previous week aka, threads has 1/3 of the user base of twitter, but has only 'pulled' 5% of the daily web traffic away that twitter usually experiences.

Maybe reading it like a haiku will help if you are struggling?

Since the launch of threads
Twitters web traffic was down about 5%
compared to the previous week.

No way.

This is your proof of what? That twitter traffic reducing by 5 percent, this shows threads, the 1 week old app, is what?

No way is this your proof of anything and something you've brought up multiple times.

You're really trying to pretend, that twitter having lost 5 percent of traffic to threads, is a good thing because threads, a 1 week old app, which is still essentially in beta, didn't take more?

Jesus what a weak point and a real desperate attempt to defend poor Elon's twitter.

That's almost roar levels of desperation trying to justify a weak position to yourself.

What were you expecting? As the 5 percent number seems to be lower than what you'd expected, else you'd not brought it up. We're you expecting to see threads had already pulled 50 percent? What was your number.

The fact that threads "pulled" any users away from twitter in its first week is impressive.

A record breaking app and you're already down playing it, 8 or whatever days into its release...

Outstanding work c Kent. Outstanding.

 

[Werewolf]

Since the launch of threads twitters web traffic was down 5% compared to the previous week aka, threads has 1/3 of the user base of twitter, but has only 'pulled' 5% of the daily web traffic away that twitter usually experiences.

Maybe reading it like a haiku will help if you are struggling?

Since the launch of threads
Twitters web traffic was down about 5%
compared to the previous week.

Twitter "losing" 5% of it's traffic does not mean that just that percentage of traffic has moved, most creators etc who drive tprafkfic will likely be posting on both at the moment.
Many were already posting to at least one alternative to twitter in preparation for it going down, and will continue to use twitter as well until either musk does something stupid that puts the nail in twitter's offin for them, or they hit a critical mass of followers on the alternative apps.

Some are already primarily using other services since musk's idiocy, and only using twitter for updates, or to remind people where they actually are for interaction now.

At the moment there is a huge amount of "duplicated" posting across services by bigger names who are hedging their bets about what service will replace twitter, whilst keeping a presence on the bird app.

 

[unwashed potato!]

Twitter "losing" 5% of it's traffic does not mean that just that percentage of traffic has moved, most creators etc who drive tprafkfic will likely be posting on both at the moment.
Many were already posting to at least one alternative to twitter in preparation for it going down, and will continue to use twitter as well until either musk does something stupid that puts the nail in twitter's offin for them, or they hit a critical mass of followers on the alternative apps.

Some are already primarily using other services since musk's idiocy, and only using twitter for updates, or to remind people where they actually are for interaction now.

At the moment there is a huge amount of "duplicated" posting across services by bigger names who are hedging their bets about what service will replace twitter, whilst keeping a presence on the bird app.

If I knew how to post eloquently, this is essentially what I'd have put.

 

[C Kent]

Twitter "losing" 5% of it's traffic does not mean that just that percentage of traffic has moved, most creators etc who drive tprafkfic will likely be posting on both at the moment.
Many were already posting to at least one alternative to twitter in preparation for it going down, and will continue to use twitter as well until either musk does something stupid that puts the nail in twitter's offin for them, or they hit a critical mass of followers on the alternative apps.
Some are already primarily using other services since musk's idiocy, and only using twitter for updates, or to remind people where they actually are for interaction now.

At the moment there is a huge amount of "duplicated" posting across services by bigger names who are hedging their bets about what service will replace twitter, whilst keeping a presence on the bird app.

There are a lot of ifs and buts in your post werewolf, currently in the 1st week of the new 'twitter killer' that folks were crowing about we have 3 verifiable facts (despite record numbers of user sign ups):

1: it's not made a dent in the twitter user base
2: user engagement on threads has fallen 20% in its 1st week
3: the time spent on the app by users has fallen 50%

Points 2 and 3 above could well be due to the fact that currently threads is the 'inferior' product and doesn't offer anywhere near the same functionality as twitter and that's why folks arent using it as much, and ties into my previous point regarding successful tech product launches and who became the dominate user experience. Or, as I said last night, the markets of the 2 products are different, which given threads runs off IG that's entirely possible.

Regardless, I'm not aware of/sure how many of the recent successful 'product' launches have had a shrinking user experience in their first few weeks, I would have expected the metrics from points 2 and 3 to increase, not decrease. Maybe I'm wrong though and all social media 'lose business' in their 1st few months before exploding to become no 1 in their demographic.

Do you have anything to back up the "duplicated posting" claim other than the anecdotal?

(yes, Im well aware im speculating as to the drop, the same as your post)

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

There are a lot of ifs and buts in your post werewolf, currently in the 1st week of the new 'twitter killer' that folks were crowing about we have 3 verifiable facts (despite record numbers of user sign ups):

1: it's not made a dent in the twitter user base
2: user engagement on threads has fallen 20% in its 1st week
3: the time spent on the app by users has fallen 50%

Points 2 and 3 above could well be due to the fact that currently threads is the 'inferior' product and doesn't offer anywhere near the same functionality as twitter and that's why folks arent using it as much, and ties into my previous point regarding successful tech product launches and who became the dominate user experience. Or, as I said last night, the markets of the 2 products are different, which given threads runs off IG that's entirely possible.

Regardless, I'm not aware of/sure how many of the recent successful 'product' launches have had a shrinking user experience in their first few weeks, I would have expected the metrics from points 2 and 3 to increase, not decrease. Maybe I'm wrong though and all social media 'lose business' in their 1st few months before exploding to become no 1 in their demographic.

Do you have anything to back up the "duplicated posting" claim other than the anecdotal?

(yes, Im well aware im speculating as to the drop, the same as your post)

Ooof

Again a brand new social media platform will not act like a well established one for a while.
Its one thing getting a sudden user base, its another to stop the muscle memory (I open up twitter for news on making first cup of tea) that sort of thing.

Going on about threads performance this early is just cope.
It might fail, but its frankly ridiculous to think week one performance is anything.
If it was important everyone would be lauding it as the most successful platform ever, 1 week and 100 million users.
No one is.

There was someone posted on here who actually managed social media and it was quite enlightening on how it works.
Suggest you look back and read it.

 

[C Kent]

Ooof

Again a brand new social media platform will not act like a well established one for a while.
Its one thing getting a sudden user base, its another to stop the muscle memory (I open up twitter for news on making first cup of tea) that sort of thing.

Going on about threads performance this early is just cope.
It might fail, but its frankly ridiculous to think week one performance is anything.
If it was important everyone would be lauding it as the most successful platform ever, 1 week and 100 million users.
No one is.

There was someone posted on here who actually managed social media and it was quite enlightening on how it works.
Suggest you look back and read it.

The one regarding 'influencers' or the one about the cloud flare data? Neither are applicable to anything I've said.

 

[unwashed potato!]

The one regarding 'influencers' or the one about the cloud flare data? Neither are applicable to anything I've said.

There was one regarding businesses and how they are looking ahead, and about how they use one app to manage all their social stuff, and they are actively looking to stop twitter due to the risks etc.

I can't remember the user who posted it, but it was shortly after thread came about.

The key point was that it seemed that pretty much all their clients want to stop twitter and are waiting for alternatives. Threads isn't there yet, especially as these social management apps won't have intergrated threads yet, but people are signing up ready for when it is filly usable.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

The one regarding 'influencers' or the one about the cloud flare data? Neither are applicable to anything I've said.

The one on how they posted to multiple platforms easily.
And how it was now a problem with the changes Musk has made.
So you would expect once threads is really viable (its basically beta now IMO) then they would add that.

Those sorts will be as active on each platform.

 

[C Kent]

The one on how they posted to multiple platforms easily.
And how it was now a problem with the changes Musk has made.
So you would expect once threads is really viable (its basically beta now IMO) then they would add that.

Those sorts will be as active on each platform.

I look forward to threads being the dominate platform in a few years time once they get 'out of beta', assuming twitter hasn't implemented a ton of changes that cement it's position as no 1 of course hell maybe bluesky is the big boy at that moment in time, who knows.

I do it funny that that people spend day after day mocking twitter, but dare to do the same to the twitter killer and folks get all grumpy

 

[unwashed potato!]

Regardless, I'm not aware of/sure how many of the recent successful 'product' launches have had a shrinking user experience in their first few weeks, I would have expected the metrics from points 2 and 3 to increase, not decrease

Perhaps try to think of this like a beta for a computer game. Betas never have the same amount of use as the full product. You'll have a sign up of users, who try it out, show bugs, suggest features, and then they stop with the product.

Then once the full product is released is when the real higher amount of users come. The fact that the beta has probably 120 million users now, shows that there's a massive amount of interest in the product.

I think if you forget that this is owned by meta, and just pretend that there was a random new company out that released threads, and within 10 days had 110 million users sign up, and probably end up with a valuation in the billions, when 10 days old, you'd start to see it as successful.

Give it to Christmas and we can then properly compare the 2. I'm willing to bet that 5 percent pull from twitter is much much higher by then and will be interesting to see how it goes.

Willing to bet what you think the pull will be by Christmas? How many users on threads vs twitter?

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I look forward to threads being the dominate platform in a few years time once they get 'out of beta', assuming twitter hasn't implemented a ton of changes that cement it's position as no 1 of course

I dunno, couple of years could be a little early.
I mean everyone is just guessing how threads will develop. Whilst its a direct competitor it doesn't mean they will be the same.
They will face the same issues as Elon in regards advertising, legal issues, government interference etc so they may take a different direction.

I am of course using the Beta somewhat casually. Its clearly not at the same level as other meta products. So its clearly either just trolling Musk or will carry on being developed.
I don't see any particular unique qualities to twitter that would be genuine IP.

I have no idea if it will succeed, all I know is that compare Twitter from 12 months ago, its certainly a far easier prospect to challenge it now than it was at that point in time.

I hope both succeed as I have said before. It will drive innovation for both. Remember back to the real browser wars days, they pushed hard to differentiate themselves, and yet they never got ahead for long.
I hope thats what we see with Twitter and threads.
I only signed up for twitter for better / faster Ukraine info. I have found it partly useful for some C2B communication and means I now follow some people on Twitter I used to semi follow news about. I doubt I would even check it daily post Ukraine war.
I do get why some people are addicted to it however.
I find the paid adverts VERY annoying, especially the ones made to look like tweets, just generally dross, very badly targeted. I have some idiotic one that they keep putting on my feed thats like a moronic Brexiteer, antivax, MAGA type thing. I could certainly do without that!

 

[C Kent]

Perhaps try to think of this like a beta for a computer game. Betas never have the same amount of use as the full product. You'll have a sign up of users, who try it out, show bugs, suggest features, and then they stop with the product.

Closed beta? Open beta? I would say open beta myself which is essentially just open access as your product is ready to launch basically.

Then once the full product is released is when the real higher amount of users come. The fact that the beta has probably 120 million users now, shows that there's a massive amount of interest in the product.

112 million, so a growth of 1 million in the 17 odd hours since I asked last time.

I think if you forget that this is owned by meta, and just pretend that there was a random new company out that released threads, and within 10 days had 110 million users sign up, and probably end up with a valuation in the billions, when 10 days old, you'd start to see it as successful.

I'm aware it's own by meta - the CEO of which thinks the folks that use his products are dumb ******* idiots. I'd think a successful app is measured by how people actually use it as opposed to how many sign up for it, don't you?

Give it to Christmas and we can then properly compare the 2. I'm willing to bet that 5 percent pull from twitter is much much higher by then and will be interesting to see how it goes.

Willing to bet what you think the pull will be by Christmas? How many users on threads vs twitter?

Well, the user metric depends on whether it gets through the EU's digital markets act by Xmas or not surely? As to how much traffic it's pulled from twitter, 20%-25%, assuming they get some improvements rolled out. If they haven't, probably around the same.

 

[C Kent]

I find the paid adverts VERY annoying, especially the ones made to look like tweets, just generally dross, very badly targeted. I have some idiotic one that they keep putting on my feed thats like a moronic Brexiteer, antivax, MAGA type thing. I could certainly do without that!

Just block the companies and move on regarding ads, I've got all sorts of companies blocked, ranging from big ones like Volkswagen and Sky all the way to the ****** annoying ones that offer cheap tat.

I do find you get more ads in the 'for you' tab as opposed to 'following' tab.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Just block the companies and move on regarding ads, I've got all sorts of companies blocked, ranging from big ones like Volkswagen and Sky all the way to the ****** annoying ones that offer cheap tat.

I do find you get more ads in the 'for you' tab as opposed to 'following' tab.

Good point I will start doing that.
I wasn't bothered before but they seem to have got worse so will start doing that.