The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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jeffk said:
The EU commissioner is elected by MEPs, A bit like how Rishi Sunak was chosen as our Prime Minister.
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All a bit off topic, but this is not correct. The EU Commission are appointed by the EU Council and subject to a vote of confirmation by the EU Parliament. Instead EU Commissioners are representatives appointed by the member states. The President of the EU Commission (currently Ursula von der Leyen) is chosen by parliament on the basis you suggest.

The EU is, by a country mile, the most democratic multi-national organisation in the world, but it's still primarily an organisation operating on the basis of co-operation between the democracies that make it up, rather than an organisation primarily accountable through its parliament.

This is, of course, necessary for the organisation to preserve the sovereignty of the member states.
 
VincentHanna said:
Specifically relating to that story I was referring to:

Among 10 false narratives promoted by the verified accounts were the fabricated claims that Ukraine was providing weapons to Hamas and that an Israeli senior official had been captured by Hamas.
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That is crap indeed.. totally agree, but surely community notes etc are a good way of dealing with that?

I'm thinking what kind of system can deal with obvious stuff that isn't easy to then abuse for political gain?
 
Demon said:
That is crap indeed.. totally agree, but surely community notes etc are a good way of dealing with that?

I'm thinking what kind of system can deal with obvious stuff that isn't easy to then abuse for political gain?
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Community notes is great when it works. From reports its understaffed and notes can sit for days unpublished which is just way too late. I did read that Twitter has been hiring again since its all kicked off in Israel due to the amount of disinformation on the platform.
 
Demon said:
That is crap indeed.. totally agree, but surely community notes etc are a good way of dealing with that?

I'm thinking what kind of system can deal with obvious stuff that isn't easy to then abuse for political gain?
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Community notes is just crowdsourcing fact checking. But if it could react quickly enough its certainly a decent services.

My view is that if fact checking proves something is lies (ie clear misinformation) then surely the whole original post should be made far more clear its lies. AND, that person having some kind of warning mechanism. Short/medium/long term suspension/ban type thing, for REPEAT lies.

Its the argument about news correction. Happens far too late and with far too little impact. Somehow that balance needs to be found.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Community notes is just crowdsourcing fact checking. But if it could react quickly enough its certainly a decent services.

My view is that if fact checking proves something is lies (ie clear misinformation) then surely the whole original post should be made far more clear its lies. AND, that person having some kind of warning mechanism. Short/medium/long term suspension/ban type thing, for REPEAT lies.

Its the argument about news correction. Happens far too late and with far too little impact. Somehow that balance needs to be found.
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I think just adding a note for first offenders is fine but persistent offenders including politicians should have their account obviously marked as a spreader of disinformation and viewers should take any content they post with a pinch of salt. I wouldn't ban them, I'd just make it obvious they lie.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
I think just adding a note for first offenders is fine but persistent offenders including politicians should have their account obviously marked as a spreader of disinformation and viewers should take any content they post with a pinch of salt. I wouldn't ban them, I'd just make it obvious they lie.
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Yeah I would only ban under very extreme circumstances. Having some kind of marker for accounts that repeatedly post stuff that ends up being proven to be lies would be useful.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
I think just adding a note for first offenders is fine but persistent offenders including politicians should have their account obviously marked as a spreader of disinformation and viewers should take any content they post with a pinch of salt. I wouldn't ban them, I'd just make it obvious they lie.
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Funny you should say that - yes it's a joke but seems lots think along the same lines
 
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Its ridiculous to argue that there shouldn't be any sort of fact checking etc enforced by legislation by the EU or nations when the current position is a pathetic individual doing it.

As I've said before, your elected body 'should' be looking after your interests. Musk, well, he has one thing in his mind, making him feel good and being a bit of a **** to get likes. As evidenced by the NYT thing. More broadly, any corporate big enough to fall under the gaze of the EU etc is driven by shareholders and profit, not the good of the people.
 
is there any context to that wonderfully thought out tweet by the chief twit?

Or is it just that what he means is he's fed up of the likes of the FAA doing it's job by trying to ensure that a company that has shown utter disregard for safety takes the safety of people seriously, and he's fed up of things like the workers rights in his car plants, or that he's got to do things like comply with the law in areas where twitter is available? or that he's upset that he can't blind aircraft and keep half the city awake with the structurally and electrically unsafe lighting placed on the top of his office and secured like one of those temporary roadworks signs that always blow over when the sandbag holding it in place turns out to not be enough?

Musk is pretty much a prime example of why there are so many rules and regulations given the sort of stuff he thinks is funny or fine to do, and his utter disregard for others (I'm half surprised the tesla truck doesn't have pop out chainsaws given how poorly designed it is in almost every other regard for both pedestrian and passenger safety it seems to be).
 
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Werewolf said:
is there any context to that wonderfully thought out tweet by the chief twit?

Or is it just that what he means is he's fed up of the likes of the FAA doing it's job by trying to ensure that a company that has shown utter disregard for safety takes the safety of people seriously, and he's fed up of things like the workers rights in his car plants, or that he's got to do things like comply with the law in areas where twitter is available? or that he's upset that he can't blind aircraft and keep half the city awake with the structurally and electrically unsafe lighting placed on the top of his office and secured like one of those temporary roadworks signs that always blow over when the sandbag holding it in place turns out to not be enough?

Musk is pretty much a prime example of why there are so many rules and regulations given the sort of stuff he thinks is funny or fine to do, and his utter disregard for others (I'm half surprised the tesla truck doesn't have pop out chainsaws given how poorly designed it is in almost every other regard for both pedestrian and passenger safety it seems to be).
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This I think

 
Werewolf said:
is there any context to that wonderfully thought out tweet by the chief twit?

Or is it just that what he means is he's fed up of the likes of the FAA doing it's job by trying to ensure that a company that has shown utter disregard for safety takes the safety of people seriously, and he's fed up of things like the workers rights in his car plants, or that he's got to do things like comply with the law in areas where twitter is available? or that he's upset that he can't blind aircraft and keep half the city awake with the structurally and electrically unsafe lighting placed on the top of his office and secured like one of those temporary roadworks signs that always blow over when the sandbag holding it in place turns out to not be enough?

Musk is pretty much a prime example of why there are so many rules and regulations given the sort of stuff he thinks is funny or fine to do, and his utter disregard for others (I'm half surprised the tesla truck doesn't have pop out chainsaws given how poorly designed it is in almost every other regard for both pedestrian and passenger safety it seems to be).
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He's typical of his right-wing ilk, entitled, sociopathic man-babies who think "freedom" means that they can do whatever they want without any consequences and anyone who suffers becaus of their actrions, is just collateral damage and anyway they don't matter...

Which is pretty much the manifesto of the NRA.
 
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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
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ah so basically he's against there actually being a human involved in customer service, because it's so much easier to rip people off, or pretend you didn't know there was an issue with your financial company if there are no humans who the customers can interact with and can be asked to say provide evidence in court, if I'm reading that right (it always comes down to "the regulations make things harder to 'innovate'* and raise costs").

Which would be another huge red flag for me giving him or any company he's affiliated with any financial information.

The likes of the SEC have so many regulations because they've been shown time and time again to be needed, and I'm going to guess that these new ones are partially due to all the fraud, theft, and losses people have suffered with the "new wonder that is klepto currency exchanges" etc.
Which reminds me wasn't musk all up into the crypto and nft at one point and talking about using it on twitter or something?


*Usually to the detriment of customers, and smaller investors who aren't in on the scheme and are most likely to be hurt when it collapses.
 
Werewolf said:
ah so basically he's against there actually being a human involved in customer service, because it's so much easier to rip people off, or pretend you didn't know there was an issue with your financial company if there are no humans who the customers can interact with and can be asked to say provide evidence in court, if I'm reading that right (it always comes down to "the regulations make things harder to 'innovate'* and raise costs").

Which would be another huge red flag for me giving him or any company he's affiliated with any financial information.

The likes of the SEC have so many regulations because they've been shown time and time again to be needed, and I'm going to guess that these new ones are partially due to all the fraud, theft, and losses people have suffered with the "new wonder that is klepto currency exchanges" etc.
Which reminds me wasn't musk all up into the crypto and nft at one point and talking about using it on twitter or something?


*Usually to the detriment of customers, and smaller investors who aren't in on the scheme and are most likely to be hurt when it collapses.
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Indeed


Regulations make it harder to rip people off and make ridiculous amounts of undeserved profit..
 
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