The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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jeffk said:
It’s also a majority female country, so that can’t explain it.
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I mean, it can. In the same way most careers are either male or female dominated.

potatolord said:
Not really.

Pundits have been hired as they were former professional football players, for example on match of the day. There have been both white and black pundits, and also non-british pundits.

Eni Aluko is a pundit as she's a professional football player. I haven't seen any evidence she is a "diversity hire" or whatever the expression is. If that evidence exist (@Roar87 ), I'd like to see it.
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I would suggest she is at least partially a diversity hire as one of few high profile black female ex-players. They will have been very keen to sign her up as a pundit. The problem with football as an example is that its clearly not a meritocracy when it comes to jobs like punditry. Fundamentally, the characteristics they value are things like name and face recognition, can string 2 words together, ex-professional. Thats it. They are unlikely to lose out in any of those areas by also ticking the diversity box.

Its basically a win win. Who knows, perhaps they didn't even consider her race when signing her up but I would imagine it was part of her appeal.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
The Premier League hasn't been majority white for decades. I don't care about the RAF, we are talking about the BBC and pundit hires here.
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Thats why I find it so funny when there is all the hand wringing about diversity. No one bats and eyelid at the minority of white players in the England team vs the make up of the UK. No one seems to care that its literally black/white or mixed race. Where are the Asian contingent. Race is a funny old topic.
 
fez said:
Thats why I find it so funny when there is all the hand wringing about diversity. No one bats and eyelid at the minority of white players in the England team vs the make up of the UK. No one seems to care that its literally black/white or mixed race. Where are the Asian contingent. Race is a funny old topic.
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Thats because diversity is just a code word, in all instances, for less white men. No one will ever complain about too few white men in any profession.
 
fez said:
I would suggest she is at least partially a diversity hire as one of few high profile black female ex-players. They will have been very keen to sign her up as a pundit. The problem with football as an example is that its clearly not a meritocracy when it comes to jobs like punditry. Fundamentally, the characteristics they value are things like name and face recognition, can string 2 words together, ex-professional. Thats it. They are unlikely to lose out in any of those areas by also ticking the diversity box.

Its basically a win win. Who knows, perhaps they didn't even consider her race when signing her up but I would imagine it was part of her appeal.
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There has been a huge push to promote women's football and the Women's Super League in the last few years. So she is a diversity hire just like all the women are but not just because they are women but because of the women's game growing and channels wanting to promote it.

The one I struggle with most is either from London or Essex and has the worst accent ever! I don't know here name but she did playa lot for England. My god that accent grates on me.
 
Roar87 said:
Thats because diversity is just a code word, in all instances, for less white men. No one will ever complain about too few white men in any profession.
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Well thats part of the reason why its such a silly thing to point as as a target or goal. Diversity is a ******** word that means a million things depending on who you talk to.

Should it be diversity of outlook, diversity of socio-economic background, diversity of culture, diversity of ethnicity, diversity of gender, sex, age, intellect.

How do you get there fairly. Why do only certain groups get included or count towards diversity. Does diversity look different in London to Scotland?

Is diversity so important that its OK to discriminate against someone because they happen to have features that historically would have given them some level of privilege. The demographic with the worst outcomes in life (as far as I know) at the moment are poor white men.

Its just a complete mess from top to bottom. In my opinion there shouldn't be such a thing as diversity. Intentionally hiring based on someone skin colour or ethnicity is suggesting that it is their defining quality. Its impossible to do fairly so the only thing we should be aiming for is equality of opportunity. Which we don't come close to having at the moment. We also need to understand that life isn't fair always. People are born smarter, better looking, more healthy, to better parents etc. Thats very very hard to compensate for.
 
fez said:
Thats why I find it so funny when there is all the hand wringing about diversity. No one bats and eyelid at the minority of white players in the England team vs the make up of the UK. No one seems to care that its literally black/white or mixed race. Where are the Asian contingent. Race is a funny old topic.
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I think we can safely say that any professional sport is a meritocracy based industry at the playing level.

Now, whether the over representation of black people as footballers is due to their race, or to the fact more black people live in less wealthy households, proportionally, is a thread in itself.

I suspect Aluko was chosen partially for her race and sex, and I have no issue with that. Different viewpoints on a football show are good. We don't want 3 old men who played the game 20/30 years ago at the same time.

I do agree she shouldn't still he doing it, she's a bit rubbish. But then there's a good few male commentators I can't stand more.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
There has been a huge push to promote women's football and the Women's Super League in the last few years. So she is a diversity hire just like all the women are but not just because they are women but because of the women's game growing and channels wanting to promote it.

The one I struggle with most is either from London or Essex and has the worst accent ever! I don't know here name but she did playa lot for England. My god that accent grates on me.
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I think I know the one you mean. And yes. Shes bloody awful. Reminds me a little of the tall girl from the inbetweeners film that Neil dates.
 
wesimmo said:
I think we can safely say that any professional sport is a meritocracy based industry at the playing level.

Now, whether the over representation of black people as footballers is due to their race, or to the fact more black people live in less wealthy households, proportionally, is a thread in itself.
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I have zero issue with the makeup of english football. Its just silly that we accept this as absolutely fine but we make a big deal about any other sport that doesn't have enough diversity. You can't have it both ways. These things are always related to social class, wealth, culture etc. I think people don't like it when everyone accepts it when black sportspeople are overrepresented but they suggest it must be racism when they are underrepresented. When was the last time you heard anything related to the lack of diversity in sport outside of black participation. Its just silly.
 
fez said:
I have zero issue with the makeup of english football. Its just silly that we accept this as absolutely fine but we make a big deal about any other sport that doesn't have enough diversity. You can't have it both ways. These things are always related to social class, wealth, culture etc. I think people don't like it when everyone accepts it when black sportspeople are overrepresented but they suggest it must be racism when they are underrepresented. When was the last time you heard anything related to the lack of diversity in sport outside of black participation. Its just silly.
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I kind of agree. I think the problem is the root cause of the lack of diversity in different sports is wealth.

I think we can all agree that F1 is one of the worst 'World Champion' achievements in the sense that only a small % of the world get to have a go.

Football is very different in that pretty much anywhere in the world people are playing the game, to be the best you're competing against millions more people in all reality, and many of them incredibly driven and with the time to practise due to their lack of anything else.

Do you address the lack of diversity in sport by making society fairer?

Edit: started another thread in SC to avoid further thread hijack.
 
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wesimmo said:
Football is very different in that pretty much anywhere in the world people are playing the game, to be the best you're competing against millions more people in all reality, and many of them incredibly driven and with the time to practise due to their lack of anything else.
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So what you’re saying is that the poor posh and well to do people are being discriminated against in football!
 
Roar87 said:
Thats because diversity is just a code word, in all instances, for less white men. No one will ever complain about too few white men in any profession.
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Ah there it is, the white replacement card :cry: You really must be loving Elon's latest bat**** rabbit hole. He's fully down the great replacement one.


And then he wants people to trust his AI, software that is known to just make **** up! Yeah Elon you are a force for good in the world :rolleyes: some of you who think this guy is a god as delusional.

 
I wonder why it will be "in the coming weeks". Is someone going to tell his AI what to say? Why can't it do it now if its so damned good. It will be fully aware of the text in the bill. That people will trust what it says is scary as hell. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
 
Was there something wrong with what he Tweeted? Illegal immigration numbers are insane in the US right now. You're making it a race issue which is so weird, none of us can go live in the US because we feel like it, there's a legal process to follow.
 
Roar87 said:
Was there something wrong with what he Tweeted? Illegal immigration numbers are insane in the US right now. You're making it a race issue which is so weird, none of us can go live in the US because we feel like it, there's a legal process to follow.
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Sorry do you follow Elon or not? He is making it a race issue. He keeps tweeting about Democrats importing migrants from the south (brown people) to replace Republican voters. Its nonsense of course because you have to be a citizen to vote in general elections, a tiny amount of districts allow some to vote for dog catcher etc but not anything of substance. You can't import voters, its pure great replacement nonsense. I do wonder why Elon has embraced this crap because he knows its not true so he must be trying to sway public opinion for a reason.

A bipartisan bill was passed in the Senate 2 weeks ago that would have supported the border more than any bill in decades and Republicans refused to allow it to the floor. Its a political winner for Republicans to have an open border so they can campaign on it. They had 4 years with Trump and did nothing other than separating kids from their parents and broadcasting the pictures of it as political porn. Overwhelmingly the majority of illegals in the US are those that overstay their visas.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Sorry do you follow Elon or not? He is making it a race issue. He keeps tweeting about Democrats importing migrants from the south (brown people) to replace Republican voters. Its nonsense of course because you have to be a citizen to vote in general elections, a tiny amount of districts allow some to vote for dog catcher etc but not anything of substance. You can't import voters, its pure great replacement nonsense. I do wonder why Elon has embraced this crap because he knows its not true so he must be trying to sway public opinion for a reason.

A bipartisan bill was passed in the Senate 2 weeks ago that would have supported the border more than any bill in decades and Republicans refused to allow it to the floor. Its a political winner for Republicans to have an open border so they can campaign on it. They had 4 years with Trump and did nothing other than separating kids from their parents and broadcasting the pictures of it as political porn. Overwhelmingly the majority of illegals in the US are those that overstay their visas.
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Show me where Elon Musk has explicitly made it a race issue please
 
Roar87 said:
Show me where Elon Musk has explicitly made it a race issue please
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What colour are the people coming across the southern border Roar, are they blonde haired and pale skinned?

And again the overwhelming majority of illegals are visa overstays. Is he ranting about the illegals from Europe or Canada? Is he ****. Its pure politics and he's waded into it for some reason that will be in his own self interest.
 
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