The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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No I haven't.


Yes they are living in those countries, not walking hundreds/thousands of miles to try and live in the US. You can't be this obstruse.. well actually of course you can.



Yes you can, they would call themselves refugees escaping from crime ridden counties or oppression. I'm not saying they are all that but that is a way to enter looking for a better life that the country you came from.



Clever you. I'm sure lots of us entered the exact same way when we went to the US because that is the only way to enter unless you want try and enter Canada illegally or a Central/South American country and then walk to the border.

Its not a race issue for me. its a race issue for a big part of the Republican Party and all of MAGA. Trump and the likes of MTG say it out loud. Funny you can't see to hear it. Elon has heard it yet he still is pushing this content but with no actual answers on how to deal with it.



Every country has a border yes. I would say the vast majority don't have walls or even fences away from border crossings. The wall would have been a waste of money and wouldn't have stopped the problem. It was a Trump vanity project pure and simple and even Republicans saw that and so didn't fund it.

Ok, I don't really care to respond further, you're not even taking the point about Americans wanting basic checks and you clearly don't agree with the idea of a legal process for entering a country. As far as you're concerned America should be taking unlimited amounts of economic migrants because they're unhappy with their own country. I totally reject that idea, and I think most people in the West with any basic common sense would as well.
 
Now imagine Regan making this speech today, he's be called a RINO and driven out of the Republican Party.

Yes neither side were extreme.

Today we see political polarisation in to the extremes.

Just to be clear I'm not saying Trump isn't extreme. Of course he is. But I can understand why people vote for him. He's a reaction.

Before I visited the US I thought I'd be Republican leaning. But found them to be 10 times more frustrating than the Tories. I found myself more aligned more with the Democrats.
 
The Democrats have moved to an extreme position when it comes to immigration, and wonders why people are voting for Trump.

Just a few Presidents ago;


And the right as moved so far right they're now touching on facism, supporting China, Russia and NK and trying instate Trump as President for life. There is no moderate or centre party in the US
 
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Is that real or a conspiracy theory?

Real and indirectly achieving that goal. Couple weeks back they tried to get the American courts to declare that if Trump becomes president again, he will be exempt from all laws, meaning he can break any and every law to stay in power, including but not limited to ordering the US military to kill his political opponents. Thankfully the courts completely rejected the attempt, and they specifically mentioned that one of the main reasons they rejected it is because Trump would be able to have his political opponents killed like Putin does in Russia
 
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Real and indirectly achieving that goal. Couple weeks back they tried to get the American courts to declare that if Trump becomes president again, he will be exempt from all laws, meaning he can break any and every law to stay in power, including but not limited to ordering the US military to kill his political opponents. Thankfully the courts completely rejected the attempt, and they specifically mentioned that one of the main reasons they rejected it is because Trump would be able to have his political opponents killed like Putin does in Russia
Seriously? That's shocking. I didn't see it reported anywhere hence why i asked.
 
Yes neither side were extreme.

Today we see political polarisation in to the extremes.

Just to be clear I'm not saying Trump isn't extreme. Of course he is. But I can understand why people vote for him. He's a reaction.

Before I visited the US I thought I'd be Republican leaning. But found them to be 10 times more frustrating than the Tories. I found myself more aligned more with the Democrats.

Most Conservative voters here would be Democrats in the US. Its a far more right leaning country that the UK and sadly the Republicans have moved further right with factions being now far right Christo-fascists.
 
There is no left party in the US, just the dems who do an occasional bit of token lip service towards lefty culture war issues.

Most American lefties dislike the dems hence why they often call them and their supporters “shitlibs” lol.
 
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Ok, I don't really care to respond further, you're not even taking the point about Americans wanting basic checks and you clearly don't agree with the idea of a legal process for entering a country. As far as you're concerned America should be taking unlimited amounts of economic migrants because they're unhappy with their own country. I totally reject that idea, and I think most people in the West with any basic common sense would as well.

Where did I say that? You do love to put words in people's mouths. I merely pointed out that the US like the UK takes genuine refugees. I don't think the US or any country should take unlimited numbers of economic migrants, I never said that or hinted at that so stop with the false statements. They should sort their border out but that takes a bipartisan effort and does not mean building a stupid wall coast to coast, building a moat and filling it with alligators or shooting migrants in the legs to slow them down.
 
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Real and indirectly achieving that goal. Couple weeks back they tried to get the American courts to declare that if Trump becomes president again, he will be exempt from all laws, meaning he can break any and every law to stay in power, including but not limited to ordering the US military to kill his political opponents. Thankfully the courts completely rejected the attempt, and they specifically mentioned that one of the main reasons they rejected it is because Trump would be able to have his political opponents killed like Putin does in Russia

One of the judges put the hypothetical to his lawyers that they are really arguing that if he did have a political opponent murdered he couldn't be prosecuted and would be above the law. They argued that he'd need to be impeached and convicted before he could then be charged with the crime. Bat **** crazy and ignoring that no one might ever find out the the president ordered such a murder, in which case if he/she left office and then it came out he/she would be immune from prosecution. It is amazing Trump can even find lawyers to argue such crap, it would pretty much make him above the law as long as it could be kept secret for the term.
 
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Its now with the SCOTUS although some think that they have only taken it to give trump time and push any potential for him being found guilty out until after the election.
They have set verbal argument for end of April
I would be mega surprised if the SCOTUS found he did have immunity from all crimes whilst in office since he could simply then disband them as well.
Who needs a SC when the president can do anything he fancies.
 
Its now with the SCOTUS although some think that they have only taken it to give trump time and push any potential for him being found guilty out until after the election.
They have set verbal argument for end of April
I would be mega surprised if the SCOTUS found he did have immunity from all crimes whilst in office since he could simply then disband them as well.
Who needs a SC when the president can do anything he fancies.
Hopefully the SC see sense and give him the immunity that he and the world needs as all of these crimes he has supposed to have committed seem to go nowhere. Very strange.
 
Most Conservative voters here would be Democrats in the US. Its a far more right leaning country that the UK and sadly the Republicans have moved further right with factions being now far right Christo-fascists.
The biggest cultural difference in my view are the Republicans views on capitalism and individualism.

The main gripe against some kind of socialised health system, even if partially private funded like some of the European systems are, is because it might benefit someone who hasn't paid enough in. So they would rather pay higher bills than help a fellow American out.
 
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