The possible end of Neogaf?

Yet another alternate forum has sprung up.

https://www.theforum.games/theforum/gaming

We reported on ResetEra, the new site from ex-NeoGAF moderators, and Open Critic is also trying to attract people to its forums. Today we’ve also heard of a new site, The Forum, that’s been put together by Angelo Sotira, founder of DeviantArt, and Janina Gavankar, the lead actor in Battlefront 2 (and also working on a secret project with Blizzard).

Unlike most major gaming sites, it is going to operate on an invite-only basis along with approval membership. That should make it easy to lock people out of the discussion if they try to derail it.
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Avenged7Fold said:
His train of thought was probably similar to yours and felt that the scenario was sort of an invitation and so thought his advances would be acceptable but it wasn't because clearly some people (i would say most) don't think like that.

Also the car scenario is a poor comparison. It is a car drivers responsibility to be attentive, it is not anyone's responsibility to announce disinterest prior before receiving any advances.
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Please show me where I have said that sharing a room was an invitation? You won't be able to because I've not said that, however much you want to read that into the words you see on a screen. You are wrong and rude for suggesting it.

Would I have acted the same? Of course not and before I was married I too have had nights in the past sharing a room (and even a bed) with female friends after drinking heavily without trying anything. He was wrong to do what he did. She had every right to share the room, get drunk, shower or even prance around naked if she'd wanted to do that. But she also put herself at a greater risk of it happening. It's not her fault but she should have been aware of the possible risk.



Actually, as some people here seem to think it's such a safe thing to do then perhaps I should tell my teenage daughter that it's perfectly safe to share a room with her male friends, even when they are both heavily drunk. No risk at all. Hmmm, I wonder why that advice generally isn't given to their daughters by most parents? Silly me I've been protecting her wrong all these years and her rights to do what she wants will automatically remove any risk whatsoever.

Or maybe I should step into the road without looking. The car driver isn't allowed to hit me so I can't be foolish for not looking. OK, I've got that. Understood.

There is a distinct difference between blame and risk. They are not the same. I still see her as foolish for putting herself in a risky situation. She had every right to do that of course. It's her life. Her rights. He had no right to step into the shower naked and it's bang out of order if unsolicited. But she exposed herself to the risk of that misunderstanding which is why she was foolish. Maybe this guy has done it before? I wouldn't know as I've not looked into it. But taken in isolation there was a risk of this happening.
 
Hades said:
Please show me where I have said that sharing a room was an invitation? You won't be able to because I've not said that, however much you want to read that into the words you see on a screen. You are wrong and rude for suggesting it.

Would I have acted the same? Of course not and before I was married I too have had nights in the past sharing a room (and even a bed) with female friends after drinking heavily without trying anything. He was wrong to do what he did. She had every right to share the room, get drunk, shower or even prance around naked if she'd wanted to do that. But she also put herself at a greater risk of it happening. It's not her fault but she should have been aware of the possible risk.



Actually, as some people here seem to think it's such a safe thing to do then perhaps I should tell my teenage daughter that it's perfectly safe to share a room with her male friends, even when they are both heavily drunk. No risk at all. Hmmm, I wonder why that advice generally isn't given to their daughters by most parents? Silly me I've been protecting her wrong all these years and her rights to do what she wants will automatically remove any risk whatsoever.

Or maybe I should step into the road without looking. The car driver isn't allowed to hit me so I can't be foolish for not looking. OK, I've got that. Understood.

There is a distinct difference between blame and risk. They are not the same. I still see her as foolish for putting herself in a risky situation. She had every right to do that of course. It's her life. Her rights. He had no right to step into the shower naked and it's bang out of order if unsolicited. But she exposed herself to the risk of that misunderstanding which is why she was foolish. Maybe this guy has done it before? I wouldn't know as I've not looked into it. But taken in isolation there was a risk of this happening.
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These days risk assessment is also known as 'victim blaming' apparently :p
 
I don't mean to imply that you would act the same or would take it as an invitation Rather he, like you, would think the scenario she put herself, without clarifying intent could have been thought of as a sign of interest and because of that the bloke made an advance, not that you would do the same in the situation.

The point i was making is that risk or not, some people would consider the scenario sketchy and some wont. He misunderstood the situation but in no way is she to blame for it imo
 
Avenged7Fold said:
I don't mean to imply that you would act the same or would take it as an invitation Rather he, like you, would think the scenario she put herself, without clarifying intent could have been thought of as a sign of interest and because of that the bloke made an advance, not that you would do the same in the situation.

The point i was making is that risk or not, some people would consider the scenario sketchy and some wont. He misunderstood the situation but in no way is she to blame for it imo
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Agreed. She is not to blame.
 
Dowie you act as if sex 1) just happens or 2) is always instigated by the woman..

If i had taken a woman on a road trip, gotten drunk with, was staying in a hotel room with whilst getting hammered.. I would expect that they had some inclination of intimate relations.. In a drunken state with inhibitions lowered i may indeed be quite forward in trying to instigate something.. As i would have been given all of the evidence to support it was a likely outcome given the circumstances leading up to the event..

You say our logic is questionable and "victim shaming", BOTH parties where drunk.. And me saying there is a chance that she was flirting with him is a reasonable assumption as the latter would not make much sense.. Regardless we don't know what type of "friendship" they had, whether or not it was just that, or there was something more..

Your logic cannot see past the rhetoric of the man hating left.. She is NOT a victim, she ended up putting herself in a situation that ended up uncomfortable for both parties involved, she internalised and he got angry.. Probably for being led on, regardless on whether or not he was right to feel that way.
 
terley said:
Dowie you act as if sex 1) just happens or 2) is always instigated by the woman..
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nope, not at all - you've just not read my posts very well

If i had taken a woman on a road trip, gotten drunk with, was staying in a hotel room with whilst getting hammered.. I would expect that they had some inclination of intimate relations..
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then you'd be a bit foolish in this instance, you should expect they had some inclination if they give you some signs of having some inclination - you could have course take steps to find out which don't involve jumping straight to getting naked and walking in on them in the shower!

In a drunken state with inhibitions lowered i may indeed be quite forward in trying to instigate something.. As i would have been given all of the evidence to support it was a likely outcome given the circumstances leading up to the event..
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if your evidence is that they're drunk and are sharing a room with you then no you haven't - I'd hope at least that your idea of instigating something isn't the socially inept approach of just get naked and try to get in the shower with them uninvited... as that is rather rapey

You say our logic is questionable and "victim shaming", BOTH parties where drunk..
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no, I said victim blaming, the logic isn't questionable here - if you're placing some blame on the victim you are quite literally victim blaming - it is fairly simple to follow!

And me saying there is a chance that she was flirting with him is a reasonable assumption as the latter would not make much sense.. Regardless we don't know what type of "friendship" they had, whether or not it was just that, or there was something more..
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we don't even know if the incident happened, but we're discussing it on the assumption that it did happen as stated and if so it seems that flirting wasn't there or at best was misread - there wasn't 'something more' though - the woman making the allegation has been clear that she had a boyfriend and wasn't interested

Your logic cannot see past the rhetoric of the man hating left.. She is NOT a victim, she ended up putting herself in a situation that ended up uncomfortable for both parties involved, she internalised and he got angry.. Probably for being led on, regardless on whether or not he was right to feel that way.
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she is a victim of harassment (again this is assuming the incident happened) - getting drunk and taking a shower isn't an invitation for someone to jump in naked, what sort of weird mental gymnastics do you have to do to assume that this is???

terley said:
Neither is he..
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of course he is, no one forced him to get naked and walk in on her in the bathroom
 
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