The possible end of Neogaf?

dowie said:
nah that was just to give perhaps a more common example of where a victim of an assault/harassment could end up in consensual situations after the event took place
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That's literally impossible, as we know from all the experts pointing out that women were prepared to be in the same room as Harvey Weinstein after he allegedly assaulted them.

Anyway.

I've no idea what any of this is about, but I imagine it'll get discussed at some length on the giant bomb/beastcast this week.
 
kitch9 said:
She admitted that her relationship with her "boyfriend," at the time was open.
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Leupp said that, at the time, she was polyamorous and in an open relationship with a boyfriend, but the open part of her relationship was exclusive to women, not men. Leupp said her boyfriend knew and trusted Malka.

The two continued to hang out, according to Leupp, because she attributed the incident to him "being drunk that one night." They talked about how what happened was "not okay," and he seemed receptive to the feedback.

"I had no reason not to trust him still," she said. "It was a creepy thing, but I tend to give people second chances. He had already invited me to go to E3."

Malka and Leupp did have consensual sex one time after the shower incident.

Their next major interaction came later that year, during their E3 trip to Los Angeles. Malka rented an AirBnB for friends to stay at during the week, and claims that their mutual acquaintances knew Malka's and Leupp's relationship was sexual, as they were sharing a bed.

But Leupp disputed the sexual nature of the relationship, and while they were sharing a bed, they never had sex at E3.
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(Source).

The fact that they had sex once at a later date, does not excuse what he did. You can't just walk into a shower naked and grab someone who's not asking for it.
 
ChrisJSY said:
It's astonishing how fickle and easily manipulated people can be on the internet by a single statement, in picture form; on the internet.
Too many people take everything said from their own opinion and it shows how sad a world we live in.

I don't think anyone is prepared to get that much hate and know how to respond accordingly, because to some people there is no right way.

Whatever happened, it's wrong for us to act on opinion like it actually has any weight to the conversation and should be left to the authorities.
Personally if I knew as a matter of fact what happened; did not; there's the massive issue of how many website repeated the information as fact like some social media platform nonsense; libel and all that.

Seems neither party right now want to actually follow through with anything.
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The problem isnt so much the allegations its what he's said and done after the fact. Like he could have apologised or possibly done a number of things to mitigate the damage of this. But he chose to delay for ages. Eventually he does speak to his mods, which basically amounts to no explanation. They felt they had to leave after certain previous events added to this(its like they were going to be left to clean up the mess). He chose to speak to the media before his community. What he's said himself is clearly really bad, it strengthens the allegations, even though perhaps what's he done isnt that comparably bad. And in the end he's chosen to shutdown his forum and any discourse that isnt gaming. And the hipocrisy of that is unbelievable he's allowed discussions about sexual allegations with Naughty Dog and others for instance.

Ignore all the he said she said nonsense. The guy is clearly not right, not a well balanced individual. The whole forum is tainted now, even if he let it go which I highly doubt he will, it will never be the same, its dead.
 
Evangelion said:
(Source).

The fact that they had sex once at a later date, does not excuse what he did. You can't just walk into a shower naked and grab someone who's not asking for it.
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This story in a nutshell.

He did not grab her. You made that up. In a drunken stupor he thought he was up for sexy time he wasn't, got told as such and left.

The thing is, we all want sex and sexual interaction is in our instinct. Now the question is how do we obtain sexual partners if we can't make advances?

If we all instinctively knew who wanted sex with us life would be a million times easier but we don't. We have to guess, read the signs and then.... Hope that you don't go badly wrong when trying it on.

This is the same for couples who are married as well believe it or not. It's rare for both people in a long term relationship to be horny at the same time all the time sex usually needs initiating by one or the other.
 
kitch9 said:
The thing is, we all want sex and sexual interaction is in our instinct. Now the question is how do we obtain sexual partners if we can't make advances?
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You have to write up a contract and get them to sign it every time you want to touch or engage with them in case they suddenly realise 10 years later that it was not okay and start a social media witch hunt against you... they say romance is dead...

I personally think that there needs to be a law against these social media witch hunts, either go to the police or shut up. Accusation such as these can be so damaging.
 
kitch9 said:
Does sex not happen in showers in your world then?
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What is going on in your mind?

Yes sex happens in showers, it doesn't mean you jump in unsolicited. Have you considered that it is possible to instigate this sort of thing by rather less rapey means?
 
dowie said:
What is going on in your mind?

Yes sex happens in showers, it doesn't mean you jump in unsolicited. Have you considered that it is possible to instigate this sort of thing by rather less rapey means?
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Ever thought she may be using hyperbole? or not stating the exact circumstances leading up to it? A well off guy driving a girl around, i have absolutely no doubt in my mind she would have been flirting with him like hell.. He probably just read the signals wrong and got ahead of himself..

This does not constitute sexual assault.. And it would be unfair to judge someone based on the viewpoint of the "Victim"
 
Not particularly relevant to the point, she could be making the whole thing up but the point being made is based on the assumption that the allegation is true.

I've not claimed it did constitute a sexual assault.
 
It does make me think that if you're going to share a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex then unless it has been made abundantly clear that sex is not on the agenda, someone's probably going to try their luck, and it's probably going to be the man.

I would also say that I'm not sure that constitutes sexual assault or harassment or whatever, but given that most of those offences depend on how scared or threatened the victim feels, that's not really for me to judge.
 
terley said:
Ever thought she may be using hyperbole? or not stating the exact circumstances leading up to it? A well off guy driving a girl around, i have absolutely no doubt in my mind she would have been flirting with him like hell.. He probably just read the signals wrong and got ahead of himself..
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Classic victim blaming, but I'd expect nothing less. She says she had a boyfriend and wasn't interested. Why would you assume a woman would be flirting with a man? What weird world do you live in where a woman can't sit in a car with a man without flirting with him?
 
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