The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

steve1873 · 3 Jun 2012 at 08:56

Metalface Mark said:
The problem was Steve, Rangers knew who was on the board, they had no need to call for transparency, they knew! There was nothing good to come out of fans finding out who was on the panel, it was always just gonna end in intimidation and threats from the idiot fans that follow the club.

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport/will-the-spl-survive-without-rangers-1-2335890

Good article today on life without Rangers.

In what way is that a good article?

The article claims Dundee United would lose £600,000. Later on it suggest this loss would be cancelled out by Dundee replacing Rangers in the SPL as ticket sales would increase. Do you realise how many extra tickets would have to be sold to wipe out a £600,000 loss? No? I will give you the answer - 20,000. That is right, so over 2 games Dundee United are likey to sell 20,000 more tickets than tey already do for visits from Rangers. I think with 'facts' like those, I will take the rest of the article with a pinch of salt.

Just to note, this is a club with an average attendance of 7,481 we are talking about.

And just to further highlight my point in fixtures against Rangers last season the attendance was 10,156 and 9,464 giving an average of 9,810. Dundee United's gates versus Dundee next season would have to average 19,810 just to make the same money they made this season based on the 'facts' supplied by that article.

1 slight problem. Tannadice has a capacity of 14,209.

chameleon · 3 Jun 2012 at 10:22

Aye but Rangers wouldn't pay them the money they are due anyway so they wouldn't gain much(sorry, couldnt resist that one!) Besides wouldn't it be 20000 over the entire season so the difference between Div 1gates and SPL could well be that.

McMav · 3 Jun 2012 at 11:35

Metalface Mark said:
On the contrary, on the outset I didnt want to see Rangers die, I just wanted to see them punished properly.

The reaction of the manager, the fans and club 'legends' like Sandy Jardine have made me want to see the club die.

Sorry Mark I again smell bs. In the old SPL thread which was closed (still dont know what for as I wasnt on that weekend but I can guess) You constantly harped on about how you would love to see Rangers and to be fair Celtic die.

chameleon · 3 Jun 2012 at 12:46

In a way, I can't help but share that sentiment in a small way. It is pretty much the reason I have little or no interest in football. The old firm have the SPL so sewn up, it is never a case of who is going to win but which one of the old firm will it be this year. When they regularly finish 20-30 points above third place, it makes it awfy boring. Since the SPL was (re)born I think Rangers have won 7 times and Celtic 8?
Far far too predictable and no drama or competition other than a bit of pride and possible the chance to go out in the first round of the Europa cup for all the other teams. Big deal.

lordfletch · 3 Jun 2012 at 13:50

chameleon said:
In a way, I can't help but share that sentiment in a small way. It is pretty much the reason I have little or no interest in football. The old firm have the SPL so sewn up, it is never a case of who is going to win but which one of the old firm will it be this year. When they regularly finish 20-30 points above third place, it makes it awfy boring. Since the SPL was (re)born I think Rangers have won 7 times and Celtic 8?
Far far too predictable and no drama or competition other than a bit of pride and possible the chance to go out in the first round of the Europa cup for all the other teams. Big deal.

imagine the spl with no rangers or rangers with the balls cut off,some try and claim it will be better but the reality is completely different.

afraser2k · 3 Jun 2012 at 14:17

lordfletch said:
imagine the spl with no rangers or rangers with the balls cut off,some try and claim it will be better but the reality is completely different.

A crippled Rangers would ruin the Old Firm attraction and I doubt Sky would want to buy the rights to it. The rest of Scottish football would have to adapt to survive if they didn't exist and while there are likely to be casualties (Killie, Dundee Utd, etc) the rest of the clubs would just move on with smaller squads and lower wages. We already have a two-horse race so would a lower quality product really make any difference?

lordfletch · 3 Jun 2012 at 14:32

yes of coures a lower quality product would make a difference, the spanish league is a two horse race but look at the difference a bit of quality makes there. compare the spanish national side to that of scotlands, i know there doesnt seam to be too much difference

chameleon · 3 Jun 2012 at 14:49

Oh I do agree that a neutered Rangers would leave nobody at all to challenge Celtic which would be even worse! Mind you I do kinda enjoy seizing the old firm kick lumps out of each other. They even manage to get the bought in talent who have nothing at all to do with Glasgow, prods n Catholics etc all worked up and into the spirit if the occasion (as all the inevitable red n yellow cards every match will attest)
Great fun!

JUMPURS · 3 Jun 2012 at 15:06

steve1873 said:
Matters not a jot whether McCoist knew or not. The issue at hand was what did the SFA have to hide and why was anonymity decided upon when the whole point of the new judicial system was transparency?

They cannot have it both ways. Declare the system is transparent and then hide behind anonymity. It is either 1 or the other, do you agree?

Why did Rangers vote for the way the panel would operate in the summer, and only after they got found out did they demand that it was publicly released who done it?

Also, what good does it do putting these peoples names into public? It served only one purpose, for them to get harassed, and it worked.

JUMPURS · 3 Jun 2012 at 15:12

lordfletch said:
imagine the spl with no rangers or rangers with the balls cut off,some try and claim it will be better but the reality is completely different.

Remember the late 70's early 80's?? Remember the heady heights of these kind of turn outs at Ibrox for a local derby?

Where Scotland in any major championships during those periods?

Did a Scottish team outside of Celtic or Rangers (In Administration) win any European trophies? Did any teams outside the above win the premier league??

Yeah your right, Scottish football was rubbish back then, and was saved when Murray came along and tried to buy his way through.

Swordfish · 3 Jun 2012 at 15:19

lordfletch said:
imagine the spl with no rangers or rangers with the balls cut off,some try and claim it will be better but the reality is completely different.

Care to prove this somehow?

afraser2k said:
A crippled Rangers would ruin the Old Firm attraction and I doubt Sky would want to buy the rights to it. The rest of Scottish football would have to adapt to survive if they didn't exist and while there are likely to be casualties (Killie, Dundee Utd, etc) the rest of the clubs would just move on with smaller squads and lower wages. We already have a two-horse race so would a lower quality product really make any difference?

I have no doubt Sky would bail but do believe that ESPN would pick it up.

Scottish football would survive as it did after Third Lanark, who were a successful team of the time, went bust in 1967 with debts of £40,000 (just under £275K in today's money.)

lordfletch · 3 Jun 2012 at 15:21

JUMPURS said:
Remember the late 70's early 80's?? Remember the heady heights of these kind of turn outs at Ibrox for a local derby?

Where Scotland in any major championships during those periods?

Did a Scottish team outside of Celtic or Rangers (In Administration) win any European trophies? Did any teams outside the above win the premier league??

Yeah your right, Scottish football was rubbish back then, and was saved when Murray came along and tried to buy his way through.

yes dundee utd and aberdeen both won the league and aberdeen also won the cup winners cup.

also england dint qualify for a world cup for 12 years from 1970-1982

scotland qualify ed for germany in 74 and argentina in 78.

lordfletch · 3 Jun 2012 at 15:44

Care to prove this somehow

take a look at the economic situation of aleast 4 of the spl clubs ,then read up on the whole economic structure of the scottish professional game and see how rosie it is.

you cant compare third lanark to rangers , apples to oranges comparison but im sure you already know this .

JUMPURS · 3 Jun 2012 at 15:54

lordfletch said:
yes dundee utd and aberdeen both won the league and aberdeen also won the cup winners cup.

also england dint qualify for a world cup for 12 years from 1970-1982 scotland qualify ed for germany in 74 and argentina in 78.

Also qualified for España 82 and Mexico 86

Scottish football seems like it really terrible when rangers were 'not competitive' eh??

lordfletch · 3 Jun 2012 at 16:12

JUMPURS said:
Also qualified for España 82 and Mexico 86

Scottish football seems like it really terrible when rangers were 'not competitive' eh??

you do realise you are are talking about over 30 years ago when a live televised game was a major event ?

JUMPURS · 3 Jun 2012 at 16:15

lordfletch said:
you do realise you are are talking about over 30 years ago when a live televised game was a major event ?

So? Principal is the exact same. Without one team overspending itself by over £200m in order to beat Celtic by a single point or goal differences, the league was actually competitive.

There is no reason to think that the league wouldn't be competitive again.

lordfletch · 3 Jun 2012 at 16:31

JUMPURS said:
So? Principal is the exact same. Without one team overspending itself by over £200m in order to beat Celtic by a single point or goal differences, the league was actually competitive.

There is no reason to think that the league wouldn't be competitive again.

the principles not the same, look at the pecentage of revenue from tv deals now compared to 30 years ago.

it does not matter if you you win the league by 20 points or on goal difference.

yes the league was competative 30 years ago and a pint of heavy was 65 pence.

Swordfish · 3 Jun 2012 at 16:35

lordfletch said:
you cant compare third lanark to rangers , apples to oranges comparison but im sure you already know this .

Why not? Both were/are successful clubs of their time and both could not/cant pay their respective debts. One club went out of business and the other is close to it.

Any club, if they cant pay there debts, can close. Rangers are nothing special compared to any other team in the league and should de dealt with in the same way the SPL/SFL/SFA would deal with any other club.

I'm getting pig sick of hearing "We're Rangers, we're too big to die."

lordfletch · 3 Jun 2012 at 16:39

Swordfish said:
Why not? Both were/are successful clubs of their time and both could not/cant pay their respective debts. One club went out of business and the other is close to it.

Any club, if they cant pay there debts, can close. Rangers are nothing special compared to any other team in the league and should de dealt with in the same way the SPL/SFL/SFA would deal with any other club.

I'm getting pig sick of hearing "We're Rangers, we're too big to die."

and im getting sick of the bs "scottish football doesnt need rangers" aye right, the biggest supported club in scotland, thing is you know you need us but another one who is prepared to propagate the lie.
which makes me wonder what kind of supporters want rangers hammered even although it could possibly terminally affect there own club ?

Jokester · 3 Jun 2012 at 16:42

Scottish football doesn't need Rangers at all - it would adapt and survive without them.