Or to work for a manager who scolds you because they see you checking your bank balance on a "company computer". **** those people.
This is the same manager who told me off for applying for another job. Quote: "don't do that to me".
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Or to work for a manager who scolds you because they see you checking your bank balance on a "company computer". **** those people.
This is the same manager who told me off for applying for another job. Quote: "don't do that to me".
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You say it's a "good" thing, and that's were I think the lines get blurred straight away. There is no such thing as "good" or "bad", there is "acceptable" and "unacceptable".
Your OP has a dual thread really, and it's disappointing to see it dominated with only the one, which is whether or not it's acceptable for Only Fans to be so popular. I think the question answers itself from a societal point of view; it's becoming very popular therefore it is acceptable within our society. From a personal point of view things are a little bit different;
Would I personally use the service? No.
Would I be happy for any of my family members to use the service? I couldn't care less.
Would I be happy for any of my family members to provide the service? Absolutely not.
Rating people out of 10 etc. is not acceptable in my opinion, and by extension structuring remuneration based on what a person looks like isn't acceptable in any form of employment or service - obviously society has exceptions to that and the sex trade is one of them.
The second, pretty much ignored thread of your OP, is the depressing reality that young women see prostitution as a more appealing career prospect than healthcare. If anyone thinks that's acceptable then they're on the path to getting the society they deserve.
Are your answers to the above questions based on the fact there is a stigma against it? e.g. employers thinking "not going to employ him/her, they made that video"
If so, if there were no social stigma then would you still have an issue against it?
Is it really any different to structuring remuneration on how intelligent they are, how good they are at playing guitar, or pretending to be someone else, or kicking a ball around?
It seems society thinks that is acceptable since they are happy to throw money at these women whilst being quick enough to complain about even the whiff of increasing taxes to pay NHS staff properly.
@Dirk Diggler noted, the rest of your points. It's preference. I don't have an issue rating people out of ten, clearly. If you do, fine. The point I'd like to address in a little more depth is this one:
It's a much safer form of prostitution that being a sex worker. And it's one where you're less likely to have physical threats, and zero chance of catching an STI. Also, you don't have to answer to any 'pimp' or 'madame' than OnlyFans. And I'm sure that these places are more well-configured to looking after their workers.
As for the "prospects" of working in Healthcare, the NHS is not a good place to work, certainly not currently. The longer one spends in the organisation, the more jaded one gets, we are currently battling a 111 outage and several nationwide systems outages because of a cyberattack hangover which is STILL going on. Staff stress is high [again]. Patient data is all over the place, some lost, some stored on local drives only [you won't hear this on the news], and operations are being delayed because people can't get access to records. COVID hasn't helped. People are terrified of the energy bill increases. Food is getting more expensive. Would I recommend anyone work in healthcare now? No. You go where the money is and do whatever works for you. That is where we are now. Sure, if everyone ducked out then there wouldn't be any healthcare workers, but not everyone is going to go. Just those who have the resourcefulness and opportunity to do something better for themselves at this time, and I personally fully support it. More power to them.
It's a much safer form of prostitution that being a sex worker. And it's one where you're less likely to have physical threats, and zero chance of catching an STI. Also, you don't have to answer to any 'pimp' or 'madame' than OnlyFans. And I'm sure that these places are more well-configured to looking after their workers.
As for the "prospects" of working in Healthcare, the NHS is not a good place to work, certainly not currently. The longer one spends in the organisation, the more jaded one gets, we are currently battling a 111 outage and several nationwide systems outages because of a cyberattack hangover which is STILL going on. Staff stress is high [again]. Patient data is all over the place, some lost, some stored on local drives only [you won't hear this on the news], and operations are being delayed because people can't get access to records. COVID hasn't helped. People are terrified of the energy bill increases. Food is getting more expensive. Would I recommend anyone work in healthcare now? No. You go where the money is and do whatever works for you. That is where we are now. Sure, if everyone ducked out then there wouldn't be any healthcare workers, but not everyone is going to go. Just those who have the resourcefulness and opportunity to do something better for themselves at this time, and I personally fully support it. More power to them.
Why is rating someone on looks any really different to rating on intelligence?
If someone is intelligent, they can use it to make money.
If someone looks good they can exploit it to make money.
It isn't even always about looks. People can carve out niches here. They might appear 'ugly' to many. But they are catering for something.
I agree it is society gone wrong. But I don't see much difference to a sports person.
As a society we have a situation where important jobs are valued incredibly low vs superficial jobs. This has always been the case though.
Its much more Obvious now as its shoved in your face. And that jobs only a few years ago that were 'ok' have now become 'pointless' to the worker.
If someone is intelligent, they can use it to make money.
If someone looks good they can exploit it to make money.
It isn't even always about looks. People can carve out niches here. They might appear 'ugly' to many. But they are catering for something.
I agree it is society gone wrong. But I don't see much difference to a sports person.
As a society we have a situation where important jobs are valued incredibly low vs superficial jobs. This has always been the case though.
Its much more Obvious now as its shoved in your face. And that jobs only a few years ago that were 'ok' have now become 'pointless' to the worker.
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No, it's based on the mental health issues that they'll be at risk of and also the severe lack of longevity of their ability to maintain earnings.
Yes, it is. It's very different.
I'm assuming that's rhetorical and I've only quoted to acknowledge that I haven't ignored this part.
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Question.....is onlyfans a suitable conduit to sell my intellectual prowess? I'll answer questions (general knowledge, i'll livestream to watch "The Chase" or technical/financial plus if you like I'll opine on politics).
No nudes though although that warning probably unwarranted/unesccessary.
No nudes though although that warning probably unwarranted/unesccessary.
Maybe their mental health will be better?
Earning a tonne of money, not having to worry about it. Maybe buying that house outright in 5 years.
Vs
Working 9/5 every day for 25k a year, being in debt, never owning a house, no pension, worried about heat or eat.
I'm sorry to say this, and I think it's a bit of a clichéd reply from me, but I think part of the issue with these people who don't approve is envy. An attractive, intelligent girl can make a huge amount of money far more quickly than most other people. She doesn't necessary have to study for years, just market herself well and scrub up well. Most porn stars can retire at the age of 23-27. Look at Belle Delphine, she's a good example. Excellent at marketing herself and a multimillionaire. Attractive, intelligent people have always got further. Sure, if they want to study and be something else they can, but more doors are open to them, and if they want to take this one as well, then why not.
I think it is too.
I'm envious! If I'd been born a woman and still have the same personality as I do now I'd be on it!
a lot of the negative comments are from women funnily enough.
Or people with traditional views of a wife, mother etc. "what will their kids think of them?".. "whatever happened to real Work"
A couple of the clichés there you see a lot.
Its frustrating (must be especially so for women) who see these other women with what to them looks like nothing more than loose morals. Making more than they do in a lifetime in a few months.
Its more difficult to be so envious of a rich business man. You cannot picture yourself getting to that level. (for example I know I'd never be able to get into that position).
But when your millions is purely looks based (how it appears).. Its a lot easier to See yourself in that lifestyle.. But you aren't.
You don't need to study or be attractive to make it big. you just need to be good at marketing and have a good idea for something people want. Case in point, most billionaires/millionaires who control everyday tech industry. Those guys typically didn't finish college but had the right idea and were self taught, so were of course intelligent/savvy.
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I wonder how many will get caught out by HMRC for failing to report additional income
how so?
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Q. A blonde, a brunette and a redhead walk into a bar. They're all applying for the same job behind the bar. Who gets the job?
A. The one with biggest jugs.
That's why. And here I am now explaining why personal appearance isn't an acceptable factor in remuneration.
Stay classy GD.
do you have to apply to be a member of onlyfans? i thought you could just sign up.Q. A blonde, a brunette and a redhead walk into a bar. They're all applying for the same job behind the bar. Who gets the job?
A. The one with biggest jugs.
That's why. And here I am now explaining why personal appearance isn't an acceptable factor in remuneration.
Stay classy GD.
Q. A blonde, a brunette and a redhead walk into a bar. They're all applying for the same job behind the bar. Who gets the job?
A. The one with biggest jugs.
That's why. And here I am now explaining why personal appearance isn't an acceptable factor in remuneration.
Stay classy GD.
Models?
Actors?
In your example their "product" is their ability to run a bar, so hiring based on appearence is discrimitory.
For some other things their appearence is part of the product they're selling, and they often work pretty hard on it.
For example, should Toby Jones been hired over Chris Hemsworth to play Thor because he's a better actor? He had a role in a Marvel film but I can assure you his renumeration wasn't the same.
I'm also pretty sure anyone can sign up for Onlyfans and produce content, I don't think they screen people other than for age.
What decides how much they make is the quality of the content they produce, how they market it and how many it appeals to. How is that any different to any other job?
