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The RT Related Games, Benchmarks, Software, Etc Thread.

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Noxia said:
That means people will suddenly care about it. I'm absolutely convinced that when people say they don't it always happens to be people with cards who can't do it very well. More of a copium thing.
Especially AMD owners.
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It's always been this way and nothing new and same for nvidia fans when amd were better in something i.e.

- power efficiency being king....
- nvidia havng more vram than amd e.g. fury x vs 980ti
- tesselation perf
- vrr
- physx
- hairworks, tressfx
- drivers/control panel
- low level api performance such as mantle/vulkan, dx 12 in the early days
- upscaling and frame gen - https://www.dsogaming.com/articles/amd-fsr-3-0-ugly-truth-pc-gamers/

etc.

I'm just looking forward to seeing more titles like metro ee, spiderman 2 and avatar where RT is hardly a talking point because people can't turn it off and it runs incredibly well :p




Side note, if true..... I wonder if the naysayers who go on about it being a thing pushed by nvidia to "gimp" gpus and upsell will now whinge at amd for pushing RT in order to upsell new gen consoles :p ;) :D
 
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New State of Unreal event today too, keep an eye out for livestream as no doubt they will showcase these in the new UE5.x. DDGI probably won't get added to Cyberpunk (it features in Metro Enhanced) because CDPR have stopped development of the game and only applying bug patches. sharc and nrc are new though. I guess the next path traced game will feature these. And it's good to know that these features aren't new GPU demanding features, but features that once again improve efficiency and image quality, so all RTX cards benefit. Interestingly ReSTIR GI is currently only featured in Cyberpunk too after the 2.1x update, so who knows,, maybe we might see these new features get bundled in with a bug patch update if Nvidia wave enough cash at CDPR...

Now, we're introducing Reservoir-based Spatiotemporal Importance Resampling Global Illumination (ReSTIR GI) with the launch of Update 2.1 and the Cyberpunk 2077: Ultimate Edition. ReSTIR GI is an advanced sampling technique for indirect lighting available in the NVIDIA RTXDI SDK, which further improves the quality of fully ray traced lighting in Cyberpunk 2077.

Before the release of Update 2.1, some scenes were darker than intended due to the loss of lighting energy during denoising. Using ReSTIR GI, local lighting is appropriately bright, and light now travels further, illuminating a scene further into the distance and increasing the brightness of previously illuminated detail.
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Also looks like AMD have something cooking too for later today:

CDG 2024
Global Illumination With AMD FidelityFX™ Brixelizer, Plus AMD FidelityFX SDK Updates (Presented by AMD)
Dihara Wijetunga (Senior Software Engineer, AMD)
Location: Room 3001, West Hall
Date: Wednesday, March 20
Time: 2:00 pm - 3:00 pm
Pass Type: All Access Pass, Core Pass, Summits Pass, Expo Pass, Audio Pass, Indie Games
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This is a great week for all things ray tracing. Where are the RT haters now, huh?
 
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You're always going to get a couple of idiots, they are not representative of the majority thought ^^^^^

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How long will it take AMD to "fine wine" the drivers required to run their version though ;)
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What's wrong with this as a stock result?

Graphics Score 10,569.

www.3dmark.com

I scored 10 569 in Port Royal

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}
www.3dmark.com www.3dmark.com
 
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Yeah that's what i thought.... the fact is overall in the £700 or less range you're not getting a much better RT experience going Nvidia.

Nvidia already don't have a monopoly on RT.
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Indeed, both need upscaling and some compromise on settings to play heavy RT games. I can get CP2077 playable at 1440p with Psycho RT and max other settings in a 7900XT. So this idea that decent RT is an Nvidia only thing is not accurate. The problem is that most people don’t even have a 7900 or even last gen 3080 level GPU and consoles still have to catch up.

RT adoption will speed up over the next few years as the mainstream GPUs and consoles improve in performance. The problem is when someone even takes a mostly “wait and see” approach, they get labelled a “hater”. Similarly we have people deriding RT just to get a response.
 
Problem is those "haters" never actually say wait and see, it's the Pro RT people that say "here's the situation now, yeah you do need a higher end card to enjoy RT to its fullest, but look here's what's coming in the near future" - The hate brigade are always just peddling what they perceive as negative about RT and nothing beyond that, case in point, numerous forum posts.

AMD adopting work graphs properly is a good thing, but that's only one area. They need to adopt their own versions of RTDI/ReSTIR GI/SER etc etc in order to compete with what Nvidia already have in place otherwise the RT performance will remain lagging behind. Small steps are being made and it appears that with AMD now focusing on AI acceleration, that they too will use similar tech to accelerate RT to meaningful framerates and noise-free graphics.

Intel were already onboard with all of this but they are just in the phase of improving their drivers, Gamers Nexus has a new video up where they discuss double the performance with newer Arc drivers once again, so they are speeding things up nicely and should soon join the RT boat properly.
 
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Problem is those "haters" never actually say wait and see, it's the Pro RT people that say "here's the situation now, yeah you do need a higher end card to enjoy RT to its fullest, but look here's what's coming in the near future" - The hate brigade are always just peddling what they perceive as negative about RT and nothing beyond that, case in point, numerous forum posts.
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I was referring to anyone who has nothing but gushing praise for RT getting labelled a “hater”. You demonstrated this attitude perfectly by still using the term in a generic fashion to deride anyone you perceive as a “hater”. By all means enjoy RT, but let’s not delude ourselves you and your circle jerk buddies are objective level headed RT fans who haven’t engaged in the name calling and mud slinging. At least have the courage to own up to your actions. Or are you really going to play the innocent poster who is trying to mind his/her own business but has to endure “hate” posts?
 
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Like what exactly lol, I have called out objective facts, nothing in my posts have been name calling or anything of that nature, I don't beat around the bush and will always say it like I see it if it's well grounded. Whether you interpret it as that or not is another matter though, but my posts are based on observed facts, whether it's calling someone a troll for consistently posting comments that make no sense until they are quizzed for more detail on why they think a certain way or whatever else. It's funny how also a brand new account pops onto the forums right in the middle of the thread and starts being difficult too with a similar posting style to another member, hmm....

It's also funny that it's the same side that 100% of the time play the victim card after being called out.

I'll just leave it at that and not bother delving any deeper, anyone else can just look up your peoples posts if they want.
 
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mrk said:
Like what exactly lol, I have called out objective facts, nothing in my posts have been name calling or anything of that nature. Whether you interpret it as that or not is another matter though, but my posts are based on observed facts, whether it's calling someone a troll for consistently posting comments that make no sense until they are quizzed for more detail on why they think a certain way or whatever else.

It's funny that it's always the same side that 100% of the time play the victim card after being called out.

I'll just leave it at that and not bother delving any deeper, anyone else can just look up your posts if they want.
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If you're just going to broad brush terms like "haters" then it just looks like you're the one hating, its not conducive to a grown up debate. No one can take you seriously.
 
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But the term was used fairly, one group of people was hating on RT without actually providing any meaningful reason as to why other than they think it looks like a PS4 game, or that they think the lighting in one scene didn't look right to them when it was later shown by another member to be just fine given the context of the whole scene in question.

If you are posting a negative view of something in this context (tech) you don't like to use but you then don't bother to back up that view with any proof as to why your claim should be considered valid, and then repeatedly do it after numerous questions that fail to be answered reasonably, then it is for all intents and purposes "hating", is it not? Why not just say "my GPU can't run it to a performant level so I don't use it", case closed right? But instead those people build up an alternative reality that isn't based on any evidence other than a personal view and then go on to try to convince everyone that it just doesn't look good which is why they don't use it.

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There's a reason why I post screenshots/clip etc whenever I observe something or claim something, because it demonstrates what I'm saying/seeing. But it seems proof flies over the head of a small minority and their own personal view takes priority, or they are trolling. Which one of the two do you think is more likely to be correct, that's right, trolling.

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State of Unreal is live:

 
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