Good numbers although DLSS Performance is overkill - they should've shown 'Balanced' - still crazy that DLSS is *required* to get over 60 fps in CP
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So who's bought/buying DLSS 3.0, opinions?
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NVIDIA DLSS 3 “Frame Generation” Lock Reportedly Bypassed, RTX 2070 Gets Double The Frames In Cyberpunk 2077
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Guess us ampere owners are good now
But in all seriousness will be interesting to see how much of a hit there is to latency. Said he is also going to test on a 3080 so be interesting to see if the fps drops and crashes go away compared to the 2070 experience.
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Guess us ampere owners are good now
But in all seriousness will be interesting to see how much of a hit there is to latency. Said he is also going to test on a 3080 so be interesting to see if the fps drops and crashes go away compared to the 2070 experience.
@TNA is buckled right now!
As per usual, a fantastic in depth look from DF 
So essentially what we thought with fg/dlss 3, it comes down to:
- type of game you play
- fps you are getting, ideally you want to be over 100 fps when using fg
- latency with vsync on in nvcp is huge if you're hitting your screen refresh rate (110ms) but with vsync off or when you're not hitting your monitor refresh rate when vsync is on, latency is hardly increased at all, only 10 or so ms higher than dlss 2
And this boys and girls is why DLSS + FG is so good:
- higher graphical settings can be used
- higher fps can be achieved
So essentially what we thought with fg/dlss 3, it comes down to:
- type of game you play
- fps you are getting, ideally you want to be over 100 fps when using fg
- latency with vsync on in nvcp is huge if you're hitting your screen refresh rate (110ms) but with vsync off or when you're not hitting your monitor refresh rate when vsync is on, latency is hardly increased at all, only 10 or so ms higher than dlss 2
And this boys and girls is why DLSS + FG is so good:
- higher graphical settings can be used
- higher fps can be achieved
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34 > 49 ms latency though ? Eek
Yup not ideal but as Alex said, you are gaining so much more in return for that hit:
- far better visuals
- higher fps which will look/play smoother
That is using dlss quality preset too, so you could quite easily bring the latency down by using balanced or performance mode or even just reduce some settings.
Soldato
Visuals might be better but I cant see how more latency would play smoother. A better comparison would have been the same latency with increased visuals/frame rate imo
Higher fps will give a smoother/more fluid motion/animation, good site for comparing different frame rates here:
Blur Busters TestUFO Motion Tests
Blur Busters UFO Motion Tests with ghosting test, 30fps vs 60fps, 120hz vs 144hz vs 240hz, PWM test, motion blur test, judder test, benchmarks, and more.
In terms of latency feel, obviously nothing can be done there if you are above40/50ms, you will feel that extra latency if/when using m+k in a FPS shooter, so if going by tftcentrals chart:
- Class 1) Less than 16ms / 1 frame lag – should be fine for gamers, even at high levels
- Class 2) A lag of 16 – 32ms / One to two frames – moderate lag but should be fine for many gamers
- Class 3) A lag of more than 32ms / more than 2 frames – Some noticeable lag in daily usage, not suitable for high end gaming
Based what I've heard from a couple of people, the extra image and motion smoothness more than makes up for the latency - unless it's a competitive fps game you won't notice the latency but you will notice how much smoother the game runs
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NVIDIA DLSS 3 “Frame Generation” Lock Reportedly Bypassed, RTX 2070 Gets Double The Frames In Cyberpunk 2077
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Guess us ampere owners are good now
But in all seriousness will be interesting to see how much of a hit there is to latency. Said he is also going to test on a 3080 so be interesting to see if the fps drops and crashes go away compared to the 2070 experience.
Sadly looks like this workaround for cp 2077 and FG may be patched
Sadly looks like this workaround for cp 2077 and FG may be patched
Jensen wants to make sure he bends you down to buy a 4080 mate
Bets on how many will use their screen captures of the "fake frames" to say "DLSS 3/FG sucks and this is why" even though they have said "it is very hard to see these in normal gameplay and the gameplay itself is mostly good"
Would take their input latency results with a pinch of salt as they didn't mention about if vsync was on/off (unless I missed it?), which as proven by DF, can massively increase input lag.
Defo seems you will be wanting to keep fps above 100 fps with FG for the best experience anyway, which is what I try to aim for on my 3440x1440 display.
tl;dr for DLSS FG
- Worse image quality
- Worse latency
- Less sync/frame-cap compatibility
- When it's bad it also gets even worse the lower the fps/res
- On the plus side you do get a visually smoother image at >80 fps (more or less, depending on how you feel about the other degraded aspects)
- Worse image quality
- Worse latency
- Less sync/frame-cap compatibility
- When it's bad it also gets even worse the lower the fps/res
- On the plus side you do get a visually smoother image at >80 fps (more or less, depending on how you feel about the other degraded aspects)
Soldato
Bets on how many will use their screen captures ofthe "fake frames" to say "DLSS 3/FGFSR* sucks and this is why" even though they have said "it is very hard to see these in normal gameplay and the gameplay itself is mostly good"
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Bets on how many will use their screen captures of the "fake frames" to say "DLSS 3/FG sucks and this is why" even though they have said "it is very hard to see these in normal gameplay and the gameplay itself is mostly good"
Would take their input latency results with a pinch of salt as they didn't mention about if vsync was on/off (unless I missed it?), which as proven by DF, can massively increase input lag.
Defo seems you will be wanting to keep fps above 100 fps with FG for the best experience anyway, which is what I try to aim for on my 3440x1440 display.
I'll test it myself. You can't demonstrate how something "feels" through a YouTube video, it's completely subjective to the individual user.
For example, I've seen a lot of positive videos made on Nvidia Reflex over the last couple years because it reduces latency. Wanna know how much I care about reflex? Zero cares, because I've never been able to notice any difference with it on vs off, maybe I'm too old to "feel" the latency anymore
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