The Saha Conspiracy

elroberto said:
Ruud is our best player
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Sorry, stopped reading right there. He isn't.

I would take Heinze, Rooney or Ronaldo ahead of him, he's lazy and lacks creativity. Whilst he's the best finisher in the world he doesn't help his team and seems to annoy those around him too.

Oh, and he's a cheater.

I would like us to sell Saha and Nistelrooy whilst we can get any money for them.

BaZ87 said:
but has taken 4 chances to score.
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Apparently thats 1 better than Andy Cole.
Thats the same Andy Cole who's the second highest goal scorer in Premiership history.

I would take Andy Cole over Saha now, any day.
 
NokkonWud said:
Sorry, stopped reading right there. He isn't.

I would take Heinze, Rooney or Ronaldo ahead of him, he's lazy and lacks creativity. Whilst he's the best finisher in the world he doesn't help his team and seems to annoy those around him too.
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Well, let me re-phrase that, he might not be our best all-round player, but he's the one most likely to win us a football match, hence 'best player'. And he does help the team, certainly more than Saha who takes far too much time on the ball and spoils any link up play with other players.
 
I think the Two main strikers next season will be Rooney and Rossi thats for sure. One of RVN or Saha will go. I have a feeling it will be Saha who will go. I don't think that Saha is as bad as he been made out and he offers a different dimension to our attacking line when he is in form. Fast, Mobile and Good in the air.

The problem UTD have is the midfield. It was unprecedented to have four midfielders come along to form your engine room for a good 8-10 years(Giggs, Scholes, Beckham & Keane) I know a lot of people think Fergal is off his rocker but I firmly believe he is done the right thing. He had to let them go one by one because if he broke that four up in one season we would be deep in the doo doo worse than what we are now. You just can't replace a world class midfield over night.

For next season I think with Two world class midfielders coming in and possibly a third young one (Please god don't let it be Obi-Wan-Mikel) we will have a pretty strong squad all over with the return of Smith, Heinze, Scholes & Fortune. Hopefully we will see Alan Smith going in rotation in the front four. If that will be enough to win the premiership who knows ?? I think we will be a lot closer to Chelsea though

Going out it wouldn't suprise me to see Giggs. Solskjaer or Scholes go either in the summer
 
As much as i hope I'm wrong about this, It just reminds me of the whole beckham saga repeating itself. How long before fergie takes a wild swing at a boot and hits RVN in face :D. Seriously tho, How can you bench arguably our most consistent player this season/premiership top goal scorer for a very average striker at best (who would walk straight into the high scoring liverpool side ;))
I fear that RVN will be gone at the end of the season. Let's just hope that I'm wrong.
 
Loki said:
For next season I think with Two world class midfielders coming in and possibly a third young one (Please god don't let it be Obi-Wan-Mikel) we will have a pretty strong squad all over with the return of Smith, Heinze, Scholes & Fortune. Hopefully we will see Alan Smith going in rotation in the front four. If that will be enough to win the premiership who knows ?? I think we will be a lot closer to Chelsea though
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The problem is, Scholes is past it, Fortune was never really any good and Smith is playing in a position, that although he does ok in he is never going to be a world class central midfielder! If Utd are to keep up with Chelsea and even Liverpool (if they get a goal scorer) then they need to have a world class midfield with good backup players rather than good players with poor backup players.

It amazes me how well Utd are doing at the moment, when I look and see O'Shea and Giggs as the 2 central midfielders it makes me half cringe half laugh!
 
Richard_16v said:
The problem is, Scholes is past it, Fortune was never really any good and Smith is playing in a position, that although he does ok in he is never going to be a world class central midfielder! If Utd are to keep up with Chelsea and even Liverpool (if they get a goal scorer) then they need to have a world class midfield with good backup players rather than good players with poor backup players.

It amazes me how well Utd are doing at the moment, when I look and see O'Shea and Giggs as the 2 central midfielders it makes me half cringe half laugh!
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I Disagree on the Fortune side of things. When playing and fully fit he was a tenacious little so and so and would never be beaten. Which is what we have been missing in Midfield this year.

Agreed though Scholes is past his best now

Two midfielders will do us right if we can steer clear of the injuries we have had this season. We will be closer to Chelsea thats for sure. Greatest respect to Liverpool I think they need another midfielder and two possibly three forwards.
 
The thing is, i believe united are about 3/4 players (and a manager) away from getting back to the success of the 90's.

Whilst saha would get in the liverpool team, and probably perform, even without strikers liverpool have outplayed united 3 times this year, no-one can dispute that, without a strikeforce.

This tells me that rafa is a better tactician than fergie, who i still respect as he's a very good motivator, but nothing more these days.

I think its going to be a real battle to compete with the consistancy of chelsea, who could field 2 quality sides, to cover injuries. The key to beating them is to be smarter.
 
elroberto said:
Well, let me re-phrase that, he might not be our best all-round player, but he's the one most likely to win us a football match, hence 'best player'.
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No he's not, if Man Utd rely on anyone to win them a match it's Rooney again, he and Ronaldo are the only two players with the ability to unlock a defence and create something from nothing (Giggs as well on his day, which doesn't seem to be very often lately).
 
I don't think any Man Utd fan would disagree with Rooney being our best player. :) Since the departure of Keane, he's now my favourite player. And they both share similar traits, both born fighters and give 110% every match they play in. I don't think Rooney has ever played this many games without being given a break, that just shows how much Ferguson knows we need him playing every weekend.

Without Rooney, RVN wouldn't have scored as many goals. But the shambles of a midfield behind them makes it much more remarkable that their partnership up front has produced so many goals. Imagine where we would be with a proper midfield, and Park and Ronaldo in form running down both wings. I seriously don't think Chelsea would be that far in front.

I think our success in the nineties will never be repeated, because there are now more than 2 teams who can win the premiership. And I don't think it's possible under 'this' Ferguson to have a team that gels so well now. I think we were quite lucky and blessed to have players like Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, the Nevilles to come through our ranks when they did.

I don't mind Saha in the squad as backup, even then I'm still concerned about his injury proneness. I still sense RVN leaving, if he's reached that point where he can't stand being treated like this anymore, and fed up with Ferguson's tactics and the players he places in the team around him who don't deserve to even draw breath wearing a red shirt, then his mind is made up. The one thing that has kept him here so far is Rooney. And he's not being given the chance to play with him. And for what reason... Saha played well in the Carling Cup. Although there's obviously a lot more to it than the Carling Cup, the other reasons are why I'm certain RVN is going this summer. I want to see Rossi and Bardsley in the first team next season. With Pique on the bench waiting for an opportunity to play, all three of these players are future United stars.
 
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Might even see Tweeite Pie goto Lyon in the summer to make way for Pique. There are quite a few good young players on the fringe of the UTD squad so I expect us to buy two very established and mature players this summer
 
I hope he does go to Lyon im sick of the ******* sight of him

I said it in January and ill say it again 2 or 3 good midfielders one holding
and we will be challenging again
 
Pique, Rossi and Bardsley are class young players, full of potential and eager to play well for us when they get a chance in the first team. Rossi is too good to be still playing for the reserves, and Bardsley right now is better than G.Neville. I was very impressed with Pique when I seen him play. Very like Wes Brown, a no nonsense defender who doesn't pretend to be anything else. I would hate to see any of them leave to pursue first team football. The one good decision Ferguson has made so far this season is to drop Fletcher and play Park and Ronaldo more. I hope he sticks with it until the end of the season before buying 2 or 3 central midfielders. :)
 
NokkonWud said:
Premiership history.

I would take Andy Cole over Saha now, any day.
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I wish we had never got rid of him.

We should have played him and Van Nistelrooy toghether as two out and out strikers and MADE it work.
He was good for at least 4 seasons of top flight football when we sold him.
 
Andy Cole would have been good for a couple of seasons

But we had a lot of strikers when we sold him so he had to go :(
 
Davey_Pitch said:
No he's not, if Man Utd rely on anyone to win them a match it's Rooney again, he and Ronaldo are the only two players with the ability to unlock a defence and create something from nothing (Giggs as well on his day, which doesn't seem to be very often lately).
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Quoted as I was going to say the same thing. Other than scoring RVN does nothing. All the hard work is done by Rooney and all the aggressive attacking play by Ronaldo.
 
NokkonWud said:
Quoted as I was going to say the same thing. Other than scoring RVN does nothing. All the hard work is done by Rooney and all the aggressive attacking play by Ronaldo.
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Ronaldo would be awsome if he:

Was faster.
Could finish.
Could pass.
Could cross.
Was stronger.
Could play football.
 
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