The Sandman (coming to Netflix)

Shocky-FM said:
Watched half of it, it's interesting but the woke crap is just awful. Red flags at the start with a very diverse 1930's England, every other character is black or gay and now there's this weird drag queen character. and even a nonce. Lost interest, don't know where they're going with this. but the forced diversity is kinda disgusting / distracting. Yes, it was expected considering the source but it's too much.

Shame really because I think the actor playing the Sandman does a great job, it's a shame about the rest of the casting and characters.

I mean, look at this... WTF?

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This is about where I am with it after watching the 1st episode, but will try a couple more
 
IvanDobskey said:
I was hopeful for this. Sounds like it's been woked to hell and back though :(

But I guess that's just about everything these days though...
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Has it ****, the characters that were gay when it was written in 1989 are still gay, the character that was a drag queen in 1991 is still a drag queen. The closest to any "woke" is them gender flipping one character (that as discussed above is more than likely a rights issue) and race flipped two characters that race is utterly irrelevant to.

Stop hiding behind the woke bogeyman and just admit you're offended by anything that isn't straight and white.
 
Mr Jack said:
I mean, let's see what Neil Gaiman says about that, shall we?
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Not going to waste time reading excuses for this crap anymore, the character was white and a goth, that was the source material and they ignored it on both counts.

I was expecting gay and bi characters, that's fine because that was in the source material, but they literally made the guy a drag queen and it's gross, they completely missed the point regarding the nature of the characters.
 
Shocky-FM said:
Watched half of it, it's interesting but the woke crap is just awful. Red flags at the start with a very diverse 1930's England, every other character is black or gay and now there's this weird drag queen character. and even a nonce. Lost interest, don't know where they're going with this. but the forced diversity is kinda disgusting / distracting. Yes, it was expected considering the source but it's too much.
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I don't know anything about the source material, but at one point I did think was I watching Goodness Gracious Me
 
Jonny2284 said:
Has it ****, the characters that were gay when it was written in 1989 are still gay, the character that was a drag queen in 1991 is still a drag queen. The closest to any "woke" is them gender flipping one character (that as discussed above is more than likely a rights issue) and race flipped two characters that race is utterly irrelevant to.

Stop hiding behind the woke bogeyman and just admit you're offended by anything that isn't straight and white.
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Nope, Desire was never a Drag Queen. But had no gender, Desire could appear male, female, both, or neither depending on the situation.

By the same definition I guess you could call most 80's pop front men drag queens as well, as that's very much what the artwork depicted in terms of style.

The over the top drag queen / pantomime make up just looks out of place.
 
Finished the series.

Brilliant throughout. The casting is absolutely on point, really capturing the feel of the comic and it's character. Probably one of the best translations of a comic to screen ever.

My only small nitpick is that the decision to move the setting from 1989 to 2022 dislocates some of the plotlines in a way that doesn't quite work. Also the kind of glass that one character was given their Whisky in in a scene set in '89 didn't exist then (the horror).
 
Mr Jack said:
"They" being the literal creator of the character. But, no, Shocky-FM knows better than Neil Gaiman who Death is :rolleyes:
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Couldn't give a crap what he says, he's a sellout who bent the knee for identity politics.

How can you think this represents reality, we know the percentage of black individuals in the UK and the US, yet they're massively overrepresented in these kind of shows. It's entirely political and you know it, this isn't right and it's not reality, but sadly it distracts from from an otherwise good story. I want to like this series, but they've made it impossible.
 
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Tip for anyone that wants to get through this show quickly, skip any scenes that include black characters only. I'm sorry to say they service very little purpose, stop when Morpheus is present and you won't miss anything. How did we get to this?
 
I've watched it all. Think 8/10. Not read the comics. I understand there is a lot of 'diversity' but I thought the actor playing death was good and especially the actor playing Desire was very good so it doesn't bother me that they were swapped in some way (although afaik Desire was always non-binary but they just used different words back then).

But the show was very good, well shot, well acted mostly and just a good script. My only 'eye rolling' in the show was that in here straight people are definitely a minority. Morpheus and the Corinthian definitely the stand outs. Some slight pacing issues as some episodes are arcs some are self-contained but still very well told.

I would recommend it.
 
Never read the comics, but am thoroughly enjoying the series, though I found Episode 5 dragged on a bit.

Being a reactionary Old Fart, I can usually smell what The Critical Drinker calls “The Message” when it’s being wafted at me, but I’m not getting that vibe so far.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Never read the comics, but am thoroughly enjoying the series, though I found Episode 5 dragged on a bit.

Being a reactionary Old Fart, I can usually smell what The Critical Drinker calls “The Message” when it’s being wafted at me, but I’m not getting that vibe so far.
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Personally I found episode 6 made up for episode 5 - though that will likely be subjective - they are both quite drawn out episodes.

There were a few moments where woke themes/agenda and that kind of crap crept in which even though fairly minor was still instantly jarring - but fortunately a minority overall. Still a shame though as it could do a lot of the diversity stuff well on its own merits without shoehorning it in and those bits do nothing but detract from an otherwise excellent show.
 
Binge watched the lot over Friday and Saturday. Best TV for me in decades. And reminded me that fantasy fiction/comic books when done well on the small screen can be superb. Thought the casting was spot on except for Jenna as Constantine. She just didn't work for me. Perhaps she was in doctor who too much?

Can't wait for season 2
 
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Watched this yesterday and enjoyed it for the most part, few of the accents didn't quite gel and thought we were starting to get a Goodness Gracious Me reunion as the cast of that kept popping up throughout.

Hopefully it gets renewed as it's shown promise.
 
whys there so many BBC people in this show...

ahh yes BBC pushing minorities and only allowing whites that are middle class
 
Think people should maybe read Neil Gaiman - the books and the comics. He was diverse in the 80s before being diverse was a thing.
Ep 6 is a legend of how it should be done, as the whole series, lift it right off the pages of the comics. Use the scenes as storyboard and include the lines.
If you get rage that a white goth in a comic namely death is replaced by a black actress who utterly nails the character death. You need to resolve your problems. I am surprised that people have not moaned that Franklin in the comic is white, his mate is black. Omg they switched it!!!
It is also set in a "fantasy" world created by Neil Gaiman - it is not a historically accurate tale that demands you do no tolerate black people in the 1800s. Black people were in Britain thousands of years before the 1800s you know.
Waited years for Gaiman to let this get to screen and glad he stubbornly kept control of his story to see it done right.
Preludes & Nocturnes and the Dolls House you can get and read to see how "woke" it all was in 1988 and 1990.
 
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