The Sandy, Ivy and Haswell (Hazzy?) Upgrade Thread

Darujhistan · 25 Jun 2019 at 10:14

I decided to buy a 2600 and MSI Carbon B450 board in the end, all the gaming performance I need now for a 'cheap' price plus the upgrade path to Zen 3000 when I want/need it, without paying the early adopter tax/price gouging X570 and Zen 3000. Bought Vega as well, I'm not being gouged for a Navi blower card or NV 'Super expensive'. I think X570/3600/5700 would have cost me double for very little real world performance.

~>Dg<~ · 25 Jun 2019 at 11:24

perfect move and what id probably do with the current over pricing of the new amd cpus. 2600 is a decent cpu aswell. when the pricing comes down just buy what you want and pop it in at a lower price.

Darujhistan · 25 Jun 2019 at 14:38

~>Dg<~ said:
perfect move and what id probably do with the current over pricing of the new amd cpus. 2600 is a decent cpu aswell. when the pricing comes down just buy what you want and pop it in at a lower price.

I reckon the 2600 will last at least until Ryzen 4, then I'll pick up a cheapish 3000 chip, just as people adopt 4000. Then I'll get as much life out of that as I can, then I'll need a new platform in all likelyhood, but that's years away.

Mr Krugga · 29 Jun 2019 at 19:37

Darujhistan said:
I decided to buy a 2600 and MSI Carbon B450 board in the end, all the gaming performance I need now for a 'cheap' price plus the upgrade path to Zen 3000 when I want/need it, without paying the early adopter tax/price gouging X570 and Zen 3000. Bought Vega as well, I'm not being gouged for a Navi blower card or NV 'Super expensive'. I think X570/3600/5700 would have cost me double for very little real world performance.

I'm in a similar situation too. Pulled the trigger on an upgrade from an i7 2600k and 8 GB RAM. Decided to grab a bargain Ryzen 5 2600 with a good future proof mobo (MSI B450 CARBON AC) and 16 GB 3200MHz RAM. Cost me £270 in total, with my set up selling for £100. £170 to upgrade is not that bad at all.

I'll upgrade to Ryzen 7 3700X when they start popping up used for under £200.

Now to find the right upgrade from my GTX 980 I'm thinking a used GTX1080/RTX 2060 when the new cards are out at the end of July.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 30 Jun 2019 at 01:11

Well for you chaps moving from a Core i7 to a Ryzen 5 2600 I did some benchmarks a few months ago:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/cats-mini-itx-ryzen-5-review.18833557/

I moved from a Xeon E3 1230 V2/Core i7 3770 to a Ryzen 5 2600 and even in game like Fallout 4 the improvements were noticeable.

Darujhistan · 30 Jun 2019 at 10:25

Mr Krugga said:
I'm in a similar situation too. Pulled the trigger on an upgrade from an i7 2600k and 8 GB RAM. Decided to grab a bargain Ryzen 5 2600 with a good future proof mobo (MSI B450 CARBON AC) and 16 GB 3200MHz RAM. Cost me £270 in total, with my set up selling for £100. £170 to upgrade is not that bad at all.

I'll upgrade to Ryzen 7 3700X when they start popping up used for under £200.

Now to find the right upgrade from my GTX 980 I'm thinking a used GTX1080/RTX 2060 when the new cards are out at the end of July.

A real bargain upgrade it just shows what you can do when you ignore the most shiny tech you don't need anyway.

keyser · 30 Jun 2019 at 18:14

Not sure if this the thread but:
I currently have 4x4GB DDR3 RAM, if I stay with Intel then I can keep that? Whereas if I move to AMD, I'll need all new 16GB DDR4 RAM? That's a cost factor yes?

Darujhistan · 30 Jun 2019 at 18:45

keyser said:
Not sure if this the thread but:
I currently have 4x4GB DDR3 RAM, if I stay with Intel then I can keep that? Whereas if I move to AMD, I'll need all new 16GB DDR4 RAM? That's a cost factor yes?

I am almost certain there are no AM4 boards that support DDR3 RAM, Ryzen requires DDR4 ram (if that's why you were thinking of going AMD). So yes you'd have to buy DDR4. I've just gone from Intel 1155 socket 2500k DDR3 - to AM4, Ryzen and DDR4. Good news is RAM is really cheap right now and you'd get something for your old RAM. Ther's no way you'd want to run DDR3 with Ryzen anyway even if you could.

You can stay with DDR3 on any motherboard that supports DDR3 RAM. For Ryzen and Intel 7th and 8th Gen CPU's you are going to need DDR4. So basically if you want to keep your DDR3 you're really limited in your upgrade path at this point.

You can get 16GB of 3000MHZ RAM for around £80, little bit more for 3200MHZ, basically its as cheap as you want it to be now.

monkeypants · 30 Jun 2019 at 19:13

keyser said:
Not sure if this the thread but:
I currently have 4x4GB DDR3 RAM, if I stay with Intel then I can keep that? Whereas if I move to AMD, I'll need all new 16GB DDR4 RAM? That's a cost factor yes?

The short answer is no, you will need DDR4 regardless of which current CPU you choose.

keyser · 30 Jun 2019 at 21:14

Ah ok, so both i9 and Zen2 I'd end up selling current RAM for DDR4. So it really comes down to CPU and mobo cost.

I think this would be the first upgrade where I went from 16GB to 16GB

robfosters · 30 Jun 2019 at 21:37

keyser said:
Ah ok, so both i9 and Zen2 I'd end up selling current RAM for DDR4. So it really comes down to CPU and mobo cost.

I think this would be the first upgrade where I went from 16GB to 16GB

I’m going from 16GB to 16GB. Just don’t need any more than that. Probably won’t for a long time.

Darujhistan · 30 Jun 2019 at 22:05

keyser said:
Ah ok, so both i9 and Zen2 I'd end up selling current RAM for DDR4. So it really comes down to CPU and mobo cost.

I think this would be the first upgrade where I went from 16GB to 16GB

Yeah, but you can do a MOBO/RAM/CPU upgrade pretty cheaply to be honest.

havenrl · 1 Jul 2019 at 09:48

Into launch week now.
Can I actually get the 3700x, board and ram for less than £500?
Thinking B450 Carbon wifi / tomahawk.

Soon able to upgrade from my trusty sandy.

Mr Krugga · 1 Jul 2019 at 15:10

havenrl said:
Into launch week now.
Can I actually get the 3700x, board and ram for less than £500?
Thinking B450 Carbon wifi / tomahawk.

Soon able to upgrade from my trusty sandy.

Shouldn't be a problem. You can get MSI B450 Tomahawk for £90 and Carbon AC for £115. There's a few 16 GB 3000/3200 MHz DDR4 kits available for under £70. Then you add the cost of the CPU, which is anticipated to be around £310-330 on launch.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 1 Jul 2019 at 15:18

havenrl said:
Into launch week now.
Can I actually get the 3700x, board and ram for less than £500?
Thinking B450 Carbon wifi / tomahawk.

Soon able to upgrade from my trusty sandy.

The Carbon can run an overclocked Ryzen 2700 fine - so I would imagine a Ryzen 7 3700X should be OK.

havenrl · 1 Jul 2019 at 15:43

Aye cheers.
I meant to say, the B450 boards would keep the price under £500.
As the new boards, are anyone's guess at prices.

Rofflay · 1 Jul 2019 at 20:37

Mr Krugga said:
Shouldn't be a problem. You can get MSI B450 Tomahawk for £90 and Carbon AC for £115. There's a few 16 GB 3000/3200 MHz DDR4 kits available for under £70. Then you add the cost of the CPU, which is anticipated to be around £310-330 on launch.

I remember when i put in a mobile barton chip from AMD called the 2500M. It cost me £50 these days people see £310 as a cheap upgrade path. I would not pay £310 to go from my 4770k i thought these cpus would cost quite a bit less. And i have had some great low cost cpus like the E6300 which must have been £60 or so.

Wucked · 1 Jul 2019 at 21:24

4770k, 16Gb, 1080Ti. I’m the same as most of us here, sorely tempted but waiting for reviews. If I’m to jump it’ll probably be for the 3800X. DDR4 and a doubling of core count will be a big deal for me. GPU wise I’ll probably stick with what I have until next year.

Rofflay · 1 Jul 2019 at 21:36

Wucked said:
4770k, 16Gb, 1080Ti. I’m the same as most of us here, sorely tempted but waiting for reviews. If I’m to jump it’ll probably be for the 3800X. DDR4 and a doubling of core count will be a big deal for me. GPU wise I’ll probably stick with what I have until next year.

I am going to buy either a 2080 super or 2080ti for my 4770k. It runs core and uncore and 4300mhz and 16gb of 2400mhz 1T is still good. The system seems really nippy too with HPET off i game at 50us and idle at 5us so Latencymon is saying its still very very good. What kind of apps or games so you need away from the 4770k for? I would be happy putting in a 3080 card with my 4770k if RTX and 4K is the thing my CPU will not matter as much.

Wucked · 1 Jul 2019 at 22:00

Rofflay said:
I am going to buy either a 2080 super or 2080ti for my 4770k. It runs core and uncore and 4300mhz and 16gb of 2400mhz 1T is still good. The system seems really nippy too with HPET off i game at 50us and idle at 5us so Latencymon is saying its still very very good. What kind of apps or games so you need away from the 4770k for? I would be happy putting in a 3080 card with my 4770k if RTX and 4K is the thing my CPU will not matter as much.

I'm thinking much more than a 1080Ti might start to bottleneck? It's primarily a gaming system and I mostly play older titles so not much need there, but I'd like to start doing some streaming and video encoding and the core count will help there. Also, shiny.