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Nah not buying average use is that efficient yet until the data is available.
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Lets not forget Tesla will end up being a car company second, and an energy company first. So basing the fact that people (investment firms) are now waking up to the BEV market, renewable energy in general, and electricity storage. There's a lot of divestment due from the oil, fossil fuel and current incumbent car manufacturers, take a piece of that money from all those markets and you see why it can easily be valued like it is.
Dividends are great when you have a stable old company that had been around decades, but it's not expected from a company who is aiming to literally change the world in how we currently see it, that requires billions upon billions of investment and early doors debt to be put up with.
Awesome, even if it was 2mpkWh it still only 7,500kWh of electricity to cover 15,000 miles or as low as £375 using home charging... let me guess, you'll believe that when you see it.
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As someone who has has a Model S for 30 months. I can confirm I average just over 3 miles per kWh.
motorway driving (averaging 80mph) I average about 253 Whper mile.
city driving about 380-400 Wh per mile. Bear in mind I have a Model P100d pre raven which is even more efficient.
Now that I am moving to a Model 3P that is more efficient, I think 4 miles based upon my driving is more than realistic on average. Also I drive with a fairly heavy foot as well. More efficient driving would probably help more.
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Just so we don’t start quoting the 4 hour period Octopus energy offer is enough to get 28miles into a car 
and people can view some of these tariffs as alternative options.
and people can view some of these tariffs as alternative options.
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@booyaka How does Teslafi work? Not much info on their site (unless that's just mobile view). Do you have to log drives manually? Would you say it's worth the price?
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Interesting take on it and hadn't looked at it from an energy first angle.
True about dividends too, I was thinking that when I added my comment (about development etc).
I've started looking at the company recenlty from an investment perspective.
Just so we don’t start quoting the 4 hour period Octopus energy offer is enough to get 28miles into a car
Proving you can't do basic maths is not something you should be
at.4 hours at 7kW is 28kWh, that's 56 miles at a pathetic 2mpkWh.
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Haha yeah maybe I should have said 28miles an hour 
Indeed, not enough for 80miles a day on that inefficient thing you mentioned earlier
Indeed, not enough for 80miles a day on that inefficient thing you mentioned earlier
If your a stats geek - yes it's worth it for $50 a year (or $5 a month i think) - You don't log anything, teslafi pulls all the data from the car itself. There is TONS of information, way more than you'll ever use. (Ambient temp, heater settings, heated seat settings on) etc etc
For me, I was interested at first but now, I just drive the car - I can't be arsed, nor do I really care, about range/efficiency/minute detail or every journey. Some people love all that and panic at the mere hint of poor mileage/efficiency. I don't have any cheap electric windows (no smart meter) - So i simply charge when I need to, don't when I don't.
I do think on the whole Tesla owners are WAY too over the top with all the figures and details - they never would bother with mpg in ICE cars tracking every details and price of fuel etc so why start now.
Saying that Teslafi was a great help to prove to Tesla there was an issue with the AC charging unit on my car when I had problems at the start as I could pull all the charging logs from it and send them to Tesla to prove my point - so in that sense, it was probably worth the first year fee - whether I keep it beyond that, I'll see.
There is a free month to try it out if you want - set it up a couple of days before you get the car once you have the details. Logging data from day one is a good idea to get the full picture if you fancy all that.
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Thanks. How does it pull the data from the car?
Good video here of some of the features.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmtYj83jl-I
This quote made me chuckle when someone asked is it worth it
Slowly edging towards 280 average. Probably before it starts to drop again during summer but today going the opposite direction to my commute which is more hilly plus the rain I averaged 320 wh/mi. Still mostly steady driving on dual carriageways apart from one longish 900 wh/mi burn up a particularly steep hill out of Cheltenham.
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No, the excellent and near-silent acceleration is more fun.
Oh and I think you need to pay more attention over on the Netmums forum you enjoy frequenting. There's no such thing as AAA+ as an energy efficiency rating. It's A+++
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It's more fun than when people bang on about adding a custom air filter to add 2bhp, and an exhaust mod that makes it sound like the car is in fact a rocket, I'm mean racket.
It all relates back to the design efficiency, and I'm sure you already appreciate a very low drag coefficient means better performance, but also means less energy use/needed to reach the same speed or acceleration.
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Haha yeah maybe I should have said 28miles an hour
Indeed, not enough for 80miles a day on that inefficient thing you mentioned earlier
80 miles per day though is right up there at the top of % of daily commutes
I cant really the exact number but the average daily commute is something like 18 miles
80 miles per day is nigh on 30k per year, even the upper estimates put the average miles per annum about 18k.
So being able to add 80 miles per day cheaply isn't a bad amount.
TBH though whilst its attractive now if BEV works for you, its not going to be long term, there is for sure going to be some balancing happen at some point. We simply cant afford to lose all the revenue, and people are more sensitive to direct taxation than indirect
34 mils commute per day for me so the Octopus Go tariff is perfect for me when I finally get my SMETS 2 meter!
I use the Scan My Tesla app via an OBDII breakout cable. Yeah it's hardcore nerdy to have all these stats to monitor on my way to work for a while. However it mostly boils down to pack temp so I know how the pre-charging and cooling loop is working and any changes should stand out. I also know more accurately what charge speed to expect at rapid chargers. Plus I currently appear to have 51.6 kwh of capacity reduced by a 2.3 kwh hour buffer that I can keep an eye on over time.
I'm hoping for some more interesting software to utilise these stats such as a performance/lap timers. I recently saw someone using an adapted phone projected to a transparent HUD screen which was interesting.
I use the Scan My Tesla app via an OBDII breakout cable. Yeah it's hardcore nerdy to have all these stats to monitor on my way to work for a while. However it mostly boils down to pack temp so I know how the pre-charging and cooling loop is working and any changes should stand out. I also know more accurately what charge speed to expect at rapid chargers. Plus I currently appear to have 51.6 kwh of capacity reduced by a 2.3 kwh hour buffer that I can keep an eye on over time.
I'm hoping for some more interesting software to utilise these stats such as a performance/lap timers. I recently saw someone using an adapted phone projected to a transparent HUD screen which was interesting.
Pfft.. don't start using logic and reason that'll get you flogged.
Don't you know that EVERYONE does 200+ miles per day, and refuels their car every 2nd or 3rd day? Someone of them maybe even have their own specific pump at the local fuelling station they go there that often, and if someone else is at it they are inside like a shot, speaking to Brenda the station supervisor asking how dare their own pump be in use by someone else.
Meanwhile back in the real world, yeah that's a few percentage of private owner/drivers that do that but the whole system has to replicate exactly what we have now or it'll never work!
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Chill out boys. I’m one of the bigger EV protagonists - just rational discussion based on some numbers. Everyone getting very lost in their own agendas
PS Commuting isn’t 7 days a week.
PS Commuting isn’t 7 days a week.