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The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

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Gregster said:
I wouldn't take too much from that vid. If you actually bothered to watch it and listened to the guy, you would know what is what but if we want to do this, that juddering on the AMD side is horrendous. How anyone can play like that is beyond me.....
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If I'm not mistaken it was you who originally posted the video in here to highlight AMDs lower quality.......but then the conversation grew legs in the other direction.
 
KentMan said:
AMD's answer to DLSS will remove another crutch from Nvidias argument, and i imagine it will also be added to Xbox Series X. I think this is the generation of Console that we finally see AMD's investment into them really pay dividends, the Xbox Series X is so close to PC hardware now, and the technologies between desktop GPU and CPU are so closely matched featurewise to the latest Xbox and even Playstation to an extent. Watching that AMD Video from the AMD Dev regarding Ray Tracing etc, it was interesting to see how they map out their DX plans with RT. Any Microsoft first party console game being developed going forwards is going to be using this method, porting to PC will be easy for them, and if you got AMD hardware you will reap the performance benefits.

I still expect Nvidia to keep cramming their RTX rubbish into big titles though just because its what they do.
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Everything in that RTX rubbish is in the DX12u rubbish and in the xbox rubbish. DXR performance is better on NVidia hardware and not by a small amount. Any game with DLSS in it is an instant win for nvidia. AMD need games that use games their hardware to the fullest and leave the extra performance on nvidia cards untaped. Thats how AMD can win in future games. If nvidia hardware which has twice the shaders, is fully unutilised in games then AMD cards cant match them. If game developers use only AMD technology nvidia loses. If games to use nvidia technology and hardware fully then AMD dont have the hardware performance to even come close to Nvidia. Nvidia are faster than AMD at the moment. By 4-6% https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/35.html at all resolutions and approx. 30% in RT games like control (DXR game, both rdna2 and 20 &30 series support https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/38.html ) which use RT features other than limited light RT lighting and shadows.

Also AMD have no DLSS like feature, not until Microsoft finish developing it. Remember it took until DLSS 2.0 for it to be any good for nvidia. DLSS 2.1 with the 9x mode was released September 3, 2020 which is the great DLSS version. This is nearly two years of training DLSS on supercomputers and refining it.

AMD and MS need to catch up in a few months.
 
JediFragger said:
It's the new tessalation, if they can overblow it (for no reason) to overwhelm the competitors solution they will. They have form.
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Exactly my point...

This is probably the biggest driver of them sending devs to work with game devs... everyone thinks its so they can tune the game to Nvidia products.. which is mostly true, but on the flip side it is also to ensure the right level of gimping happens on AMD cards.. its extremely ruthless and you have to applaud them for it. I generally steer clear of most Nvidia sponsored titles where possible, unfortunately though they do manage to get a lot of the better games.

I do believe though, this generation going fowards, if its on Console from Microsoft, it'll probably run very well on AMD hardware.
 
weldon855 said:
If I'm not mistaken it was you who originally posted the video in here to highlight AMDs lower quality.......but then the conversation grew legs in the other direction.
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Typical narrative to be honest, use it as a stick to beat the other side until it no longer fits the narrative then deny all knowledge or distance from it lmao.
 
zx128k said:
Everything in that RTX rubbish is in the DX12u rubbish and in the xbox rubbish. DXR performance is better on NVidia hardware and not by a small amount. Any game with DLSS in it is an instant win for nvidia. AMD need games that use games their hardware to the fullest and leave the extra performance on nvidia cards untaped.
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Im not so convinced. What happened to a handful of months back the 2080Ti boys all championing RTX and how it was so good.. at the very least AMD has now given everyone that option for £600 which will only get better over the next few months. If people are that obsessed with RT then you now have it from both parties - its your settings to turn down now in the sacrifice that is the holy grail of ray tracing!

KentMan said:
Typical narrative to be honest, use it as a stick to beat the other side until it no longer fits the narrative then deny all knowledge or distance from it lmao.
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Hahahahah. ;)
 
Th0nt said:
Im not so convinced. What happened to a handful of months back the 2080Ti boys all championing RTX and how it was so good.. at the very least AMD has now given everyone that option for £600 which will only get better over the next few months. If people are that obsessed with RT then you now have it from both parties - its your settings to turn down now in the sacrifice that is the holy grail of ray tracing!
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No one cares about your made up story about 2080ti boys all championing RTX. Or the rest of the made up crap you just posted. Your not convinced because you have already made up your mind at the start and no amount of evidence will chance that.

Faster RT performance means better image quality in RT games. AMD based RT games and not really even RT games. They are most no different from the rasterization version of the game. RT in AMD games is a joke. Look at the state of RT in world of warcraft. Dirt 5 and Godfall. AMD support for RT is a laugh at the moment. There are like the nvidia 20 series after launch.

In games like Cyberpunk 2077 when AMD support comes, AMD cards like the 6800xt will have to perform at lower settings or 1440p like the 3070 (when AMD get super rolution if not 1080p maximum https://cdn-l-mkt.cdprojektred.com/image/16_9_EN_3-_02qt7qdkx3b50kqk.jpg) but the RTX 3080 will be able to turn everything up to full and go 4k. The performance grap will be obvious. At the moment a 6800xt will struggle to run a fully featured Dx12u game with full RT effects. Like Control or Minecraft. All the RT features used in Control are part of DX12u.
 
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zx128k said:
No one cares about your made up story about 2080ti boys all championing RTX. Or the rest of the made up crap you just posted.
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I dont have to justify a thing, go use the search feature, the GPU forum has been scattered with it for months. Keep making up the rubbish narrative, people are tired of nonsense like yours. Ignore he goes.
 
Th0nt said:
I dont have to justify a thing, go use the search feature, the GPU forum has been scattered with it for months. Keep making up the rubbish narrative, people are tired of nonsense like yours. Ignore he goes.
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No one cares about the silly anecdotal evidence you manufacture. You just want a debate were you can fabricate whatever agument you want to hold on to your own possition. It does not work that way.

Look at the links if am posting, that makes my argument based on evidence. Also called an informed opinion.
 
Phixsator said:
Apparently, the RX 6000 series has locked bios'. I haven't been able to 100% confirm this yet but it seems to be the general consensus. I personally hope this is incorrect or if it isn't that some genius in his basement finds a way to unlock it.
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@Th0nt its not a locked bios but AMD appear to be cross-checking the values set in the bios via the driver this time around which means you can set the bios value but the driver will down clock the card to 2d clock speeds if it detects an invalid value.

The issue this time around is not GPU clock, it’s powerlimit and crucially, memory clock. You can set the core to 2.6ghz but if you don’t have the powerlimit and memory speed to match the core increase the benchmarks don’t go up.
 
Th0nt said:
I dont have to justify a thing, go use the search feature, the GPU forum has been scattered with it for months. Keep making up the rubbish narrative, people are tired of nonsense like yours. Ignore he goes.
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I remember people stating RTX was not as bad as others were saying. I specifically remember a couple of folk really enjoying Quake 2 RTX but they also mentioned the performance issues. As for championing well hmm. It seemed more, I like this and am enjoying it in some games but there are issues.
 
Besty said:
@Th0nt its not a locked bios but AMD appear to be cross-checking the values set in the bios via the driver this time around which means you can set the bios value but the driver will down clock the card to 2d clock speeds if it detects an invalid value.

The issue this time around is not GPU clock, it’s powerlimit and crucially, memory clock. You can set the core to 2.6ghz but if you don’t have the powerlimit and memory speed to match the core increase the benchmarks don’t go up.
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Interesting.. Thanks for the information. I must be honest and say this kind of limitation via drivers doesn't give AMD any points in my book. Any known workarounds for this yet?
 
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