The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

[humbug]

Experience dictates (for me) that any reviewer is there are a secondary source of information and to DYOR. If you can get access to friends/people with the equipment and test your own conditions you will find most of the opinions thrown out are always skewed to their agenda's.

That's fine when its some unknown idiot on the internet doing it, but when its tech Jesus with 1.2M Subscribers its a massive amount of influence.

I don't know what that guys relationship is with Nvidia, he is critical of them sometimes, for daft things, but whenever something gets too close to eating Nvidia's lunch he freaks out, like he did with the original Threadripper, reviewing those the guy looked like he was chewing a wasp, constantly banding on the "AMD moar Cores" meme and snarling CUDA CUDA CUDA CUDA all you need is CUDA, over and over again...... CUDA for everything.

He stopped that crap after Nvidia recommended Threadripper, because a lot of fast cores will enhance CUDA performance.

 

[Zernath]

We always knew if AMD became competitive again people will not have learned their lesson and go right back to expending a lot of time and energy to hate on the Leather Jacket mans competitor, its like a religion, Steve Burke (Gamers Nexus) especially should know better.

Some of them are very obviously paid shills, and others are so brainwashed that they come across like battered housewives, constantly making excuses for their abusive partner.

 

[gpuerrilla]

That's fine when its some unknown idiot on the internet doing it, but when its tech Jesus with 1.2 Subscribers its a massive amount of influence.

I don't know what that guys relationship is with Nvidia, he is critical of them sometimes, for daft things, but whenever something gets too close to eating Nvidia's lunch he freaks out, like he did with the original Threadripper, reviewing those the guy looked like he was chewing a wasp, constantly banding on the "AMD moar Cores" meme and snarling CUDA CUDA CUDA CUDA all you need is CUDA, over and over again...... CUDA for everything.

Yeah he's pretty drab needs to go on a few courses on voice variance so you dont fall asleep. His AMD bike thing summarised his 'neutral' status really, the only thing he slagged nvidia off about was the 3090 and how they should not have been a gaming card - other than that he is quite selective on the criticism.

 

[willhub]

Jensen can pay me and I'll argue all day.

 

[humbug]

Yeah he's pretty drab needs to go on a few courses on voice variance so you dont fall asleep. His AMD bike thing summarised his 'neutral' status really, the only thing he slagged nvidia off about was the 3090 and how they should not have been a gaming card - other than that he is quite selective on the criticism.

I enjoyed his AMD Bike ribbing, i mean that thing was a pile of junk, what were they thinking? AMD removed it shortly after he made that video, good...

 

[queamin]

Jensen can pay me and I'll argue all day.

He will not pay you as you argue all day anyway.

 

[humbug]

IF AMD feel the need to branch out more they should stick to what they know, They had AMD branded RAM, nothing wrong with that, AMD branded SSD's, AMD branded cases, Mouse Mats, Cup's even.... yea why not, cheap mass market mountain bikes? No....

 

[gpuerrilla]

I enjoyed his AMD Bike ribbing, i mean that thing was a pile of junk, what were they thinking? AMD removed it shortly after he made that video, good...

I can see the humour element but that is nothing to do with technology and cpu/gpu's they literally put a sticker on a bike shaped object it was never worth reviewing other than to stick the knife in at the brand!

 

[humbug]

I can see the humour element but that is nothing to do with technology and cpu/gpu's they literally put a sticker on a bike shaped object it was never worth reviewing other than to stick the knife in at the brand!

He's a Mountain Bike enthusiast, it was inevitably going to happen....

 

[Kaapstad]

Find it 'very sad'? Goodness grief, stop being such a drama llama. Just because AMD are now competing far better than before it doesn't mean they are exempt from valid criticisms.

They are not exempt from criticism and I have done so in the past for valid reasons.

What is very sad are the people on these forums and tech sites who do nothing but look to find fault in the opposite team to the one they back.

The outlook of these people is not productive, balanced or useful and actually weakens their argument where they are so obviously biased.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

That's fine when its some unknown idiot on the internet doing it, but when its tech Jesus with 1.2 Subscribers its a massive amount of influence.

I don't know what that guys relationship is with Nvidia, he is critical of them sometimes, for daft things, but whenever something gets too close to eating Nvidia's lunch he freaks out, like he did with the original Threadripper, reviewing those the guy looked like he was chewing a wasp, constantly banding on the "AMD moar Cores" meme and snarling CUDA CUDA CUDA CUDA all you need is CUDA, over and over again...... CUDA for everything.

I have said over and over and over that he is bias against AMD.
He has always loved Nvidia. I recall posting pics in the "other" thread were he would use Nvidia ad placement but only use AMD CPUs but would refused to put up Radeon product placement. It's stuff like that. He even defended Nvidia when Kyle Bennet (defunct HOC) broke the news that Nvidia was trying to steal branding from Radeon, using GPP.

MLID accused him of being a paid shill for nvidia. Although he didn't outwardly call him by name he did leave enough hints to guess who he was talking about.


Here is another example of Steve's bias toward Nvidia regarding NDA 2.0. In part:

First and foremost, I should tell you that NDAs in the tech world are nothing new, but those non-disclosure agreements usually are product-specific and date-specific. Say we agree to get a review sample of video card X. Many times we will get an NDA that is specific to releasing any information shared by card X's representative and a date when we can share that information with you, often referred to as the "embargo date." The German website Heise is telling us that NVIDIA's new NDA is much more far reaching than product-specific information, and stretches out 5 years. Recently we discussed EK's NDA, which we would not agree to, reaching out for 10 years and having financial penalties attached to it as well. You can read the EK NDA here. You can read the NVIDIA NDA shared below and make up your own mind.

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/06/25/nvidia_looks_to_gag_journalists_multiyear_blanket_ndas

Video:

• With GN's attorney interview. It's very clear to imply that the attorney would not sign that NDA because he mentioned multiple times about "Solely for the benefit of..." which he most certainly took issue with.
  
  @ 6:14 the attorney reference "..Solely for the benefit of..." as nebulous and he wouldn't draft it that way. Also discussed a similarity to the term as "on behalf of". IMO that comes off as a custodian of sorts.
  
  @ 8:46 he mentions again "for the benefit of..." as odd.
  
  @ 16:40-17:30 Discussion was had about the 5 year term. In which it was mentioned that any product that reaches press within a year. The attorney indicated it to be a weird time frame.
  
  @ 25:48 the attorney again hones in on "Solely for the benefit of...". He's not sure what that means and states that he doesn't like it. But later on does go back and forth about it.

While the video does try to define the NDA as harmless it clear, that when you actually listen to what attorney says in those fleeting moments he puts himself in "that shoe" comes off as contradictory that the NDA is harmless. Although they tell you that it is. To me that portion of the video is again a back/forth seesaw type of thing. Yes, it's clear there is cause for concern but "don't worry about it" comes off as a complete contradiction.
The attorny makes it clear he would never sign that NDA Steve clearly defends nvidia. The whole point of the video was a failed attempt to refute pushback from nearly everyone else that this new nda was a bad idea. Listen to the 1st minutes of the video were he claims everyone who was against it as "armchair lawyers" so he actually got a lawyer. ROFL

At the end of the day this guy has hated AMD gpu division, Radeon, for years.

 

[humbug]

I have said over and over and over that he is bias against AMD.
He has always loved Nvidia. I recall posting pics in the "other" thread were he would use Nvidia ad placement but only use AMD CPUs but would refused to put up Radeon product placement. It's stuff like that. He even defended Nvidia when Kyle Bennet (defunct HOC) broke the news that Nvidia was trying to steal branding from Radeon, using GPP.

MLID accused him of being a paid shill for nvidia. Although he didn't outwardly call him by name he did leave enough hints to guess who he was talking about.


Here is another example of Steve's bias toward Nvidia regarding NDA 2.0. In part:

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/06/25/nvidia_looks_to_gag_journalists_multiyear_blanket_ndas

Video:

• With GN's attorney interview. It's very clear to imply that the attorney would not sign that NDA because he mentioned multiple times about "Solely for the benefit of..." which he most certainly took issue with.
  
  @ 6:14 the attorney reference "..Solely for the benefit of..." as nebulous and he wouldn't draft it that way. Also discussed a similarity to the term as "on behalf of". IMO that comes off as a custodian of sorts.
  
  @ 8:46 he mentions again "for the benefit of..." as odd.
  
  @ 16:40-17:30 Discussion was had about the 5 year term. In which it was mentioned that any product that reaches press within a year. The attorney indicated it to be a weird time frame.
  
  @ 25:48 the attorney again hones in on "Solely for the benefit of...". He's not sure what that means and states that he doesn't like it. But later on does go back and forth about it.
  
  While the video does try to define the NDA as harmless it clear, that when you actually listen to what attorney says in those fleeting moments he puts himself in "that shoe" comes off as contradictory that the NDA is harmless. Although they tell you that it is.

Even though the attorney would never sign that NDA Steve clearly defends nvidia. The whole point of the video was a failed attempt to refute pushback from nearly everyone else that this new nda was a bad idea. Listen to the 1st minutes of the video were he claims everyone who was against it as "armchair lawyers" so he actually got a lawyer. ROFL

At the end of the day this guy has hated AMD gpu division, Radeon, for years.

We do know a part Nvidia reviewers guide includes which games to test and how, every time it involves an Nvidia GPU the guide must be stringently followed. Hardware Unboxed were one of a few who disclosed that, and said they would not be signing the agreement, for reasons i don't need to cite.

Digital Foundry did and sure enough there has been some 'shenanigans' going on with their reviews.

I don't know about Steve Burke, but what's the chances of Control and MineCraft RT being in Nvidia reviewers guide? and only those games + one token natural game, like SOTTR. with all the RT games that are out, some of which run very well on the RX cards just 3 games? Including the two worst for AMD?

That's sounds like a well-balanced review, to Nvidia.

 

[Kaapstad]

The new RX cards are really bad in MineCraft and Control with RT on, so bad that in those games RT is quite obviously completely broken on the RX cards, the RT in those was designed for RTX, which is very different to DXR, Nvidia use a completely different ASync engine to AMD and they are not cross compatible, the whole thing would have to get rewritten to work properly on RDNA2 and that will never get done.

That's fine, we have to accept that some RTX games are just never going to run properly on AMD's cards.

What i find a little frustrating is that there are several RT games now that run very well with RT on AMD's GPU's, sometimes better than Ampere, but as usual, and Steve Burke is also guilty of this, people only want to show you the worst, ignore why its so bad and then claim this is an example of AMD's overall RT performance.

We always knew if AMD became competitive again people will not have learned their lesson and go right back to expending a lot of time and energy to hate on the Leather Jacket mans competitor, its like a religion, Steve Burke (Gamers Nexus) especially should know better.

No graphics card does everything well and they all have weaknesses.

What I find interesting as a 3090 owner is it has some real performance problems in some areas that people just don't want to talk about.

Just check out LtMatts graphics score on Firestrike Standard for example using an average 6800XT, I don't think a 3090 will be able to get even close. Yes I know Firestrike is a benchmark and not a game but it is still a good measure of performance.

 

[humbug]

No graphics card does everything well and they all have weaknesses.

What I find interesting as a 3090 owner is it has some real performance problems in some areas that people just don't want to talk about.

Just check out LtMatts graphics score on Firestrike Standard for example using an average 6800XT, I don't think a 3090 will be able to get even close. Yes I know Firestrike is a benchmark and not a game but it is still a good measure of performance.

Right, they are not the same at the hardware level, some things will suit one architecture better than the other, and sure enough even when you take out RT there are some games that you can point to if you wanted to say that AMD are under performing, you could also point at other games and make the same argument but the other way round.

And yes, some people do exactly this, it is a bit sad, and pathetic.

Some outliers run very well on Nvidia, others very well on AMD, mostly they just meet in the middle, the 6800XT is <RTX 3080>

 

[Kaapstad]

Right, they are not the same at the hardware level, some things will suit one architecture better than the other, and sure enough even when you take out RT there are some games that you can point to if you wanted to say that AMD are under performing, you could also point at other games and make the same argument but the other way round.

And yes, some people do exactly this, it is a bit sad, and pathetic.

Some outliers run very well on Nvidia, others very well on AMD, mostly they just meet in the middle, the 6800XT is <RTX 3080>

Are you looking to get a big Navi card?

 

[humbug]

Are you looking to get a big Navi card?

Well, yes but not just yet, i want an AIB one and i want to be able to look at all reviews, chose one and have it be there at MSRP, right now we have to take what we can get if we can get it, i'm in no rush, my current card is ok for now, there are other things i also want, like a new case, new screen, more RAM and a new CPU.

 

[Kaapstad]

Well, yes but not just yet, i want an AIB one and i want to be able to look at all reviews, chose one and have it be there at MSRP, right now we have to take what we can get if we can get it, i'm in no rush, my current card is ok for now, there are other things i also want, like a new case, new screen, more RAM and a new CPU.

I have seen some nice AIB ones, my favourite is the Asus Strix LC 6800XT, I hope they do a 6900XT version as well.

 

[humbug]

I have seen some nice AIB ones, my favourite is the Asus Strix LC 6800XT, I hope they do a 6900XT version as well.

That does look like a good card, too rich for my blood tho..

I'm quite impressed with the XFX one that JayZ2Cents reviewed, i'd be happy to have that but i'm sure there will be plenty others before they are actually in stock at MSRP.

PS its likely to be a 6800 None XT.

 

[Kaapstad]

That does look like a good card, too rich for my blood tho..

I'm quite impressed with the XFX one that JayZ2Cents reviewed, i'd be happy to have that but i'm sure there will be plenty others before they are actually in stock at MSRP.

PS its likely to be a 6800 None XT.

I have seen other reviewers who are also very impressed with the XFX Merc 319, apparently it is a lot better than their cards from the 5700 series.

 

[humbug]

I have seen other reviewers who are also very impressed with the XFX Merc 319, apparently it is a lot better than their cards from the 5700 series.

Yes, sometimes if they are willing to learn from mistakes they can get it very right next time round, it seems XFX have learned from that Thicc episode. As i said right now that's the one i would go for.