The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

K1LaW8tt5 · 24 Dec 2020 at 12:58

Richdog said:
Guys the video made by Digitalfoundry shows very clearly, with plain empirical evidence, what RT delivers vs non-RT:

It's one of the best example videos I have seen and bear in mind that the RT in CP2077 is still pretty BETA stage compared to what it will be in future games. There is a significant difference in visual realism due to the lighting and shadows, transparency and reflections.

Visual realism isn't reducing the lod at 2M. The game was gimped at launch to reduce vram usage.

Everyone applauding the "realism" of these shadows and reflections really need to take a look at the rest of the game. And static screenshots wont show you how bad it is in areas or how bad the transitions are when it loads in higher/lower detail assets.

Sargatanas2511 · 24 Dec 2020 at 12:58

Digital Foundry have been involved in enough nonsense videos with RTX already that I find it hard to believe anything they say about anything.

Gregster · 24 Dec 2020 at 14:02

Might ask a mod to combine this thread with the Cyberpunk one

d_brennen · 24 Dec 2020 at 14:06

Sargatanas2511 said:
Digital Foundry have been involved in enough nonsense videos with RTX already that I find it hard to believe anything they say about anything.

Yep, it's a shame even DF is for sale.

Back to RDNA2, with crypto making moves again, AMD being pretty good perf/£, are we likely to see stock/price normalise next year? Wouldn't mind upgrading my GPU, but not at £500

Calin Banc · 24 Dec 2020 at 14:09

FoxEye said:
You don't lose anything rendering at 720p and upscaling? OK, then. Enjoy your blurry mess with RTX ON

I've already said a few times already that the most aggressive setting for DLSS is not really worth it. Quality and Balance are fine.

FoxEye said:
What about examples that show big NEGATIVE differences with RT enabled? I guess you'd like to swiftly brush those under the carpet...
The RTX shadows on the right are hopeless. Complete loss of detail.

The shadows in rasterization and RT don't correspond. The angle is not correct, so you can't really compare. Given the state of the game as a whole, is not that big of a surprise. Personally I like the results from HFTS when implemented.

weldon855 said:
at 1080p?

Yes. Normally I game on 3x1080p. I'm more about the wider filed of view than pixel density. However, the wider filed of view means more load also on the CPU (much more stuff to prepare for rendering), and since I'm trying to stay closer to 60fps, for now I'm just on a single display due the CPU as well - 2600x.

It doesn't drop much (at 1080p), a few frames here and there, but it would be enough to go out of v-sync and ruing the immersion. Dropping the crowd density and shadows fixes it for the most part.

weldon855 said:
Visual realism isn't reducing the lod at 2M. The game was gimped at launch to reduce vram usage.

Everyone applauding the "realism" of these shadows and reflections really need to take a look at the rest of the game. And static screenshots wont show you how bad it is in areas or how bad the transitions are when it loads in higher/lower detail assets.

Is not only for the assets, is also for lighting/shadows/ao. Until UE 5 comes (or other similar engines) or... using "older graphics", much won't change.

nvidiamd · 24 Dec 2020 at 14:23

Wow watched some german drama and i found out der8auer was offered 1000 euros by Nvidia to make a video about Minecraft RT. It doesn't look like much money but it makes you wonder how many of these youtubers have made a lot of money trying to convince people that RT is the best thing in the world. How many are genuine interested in RT and how many create this hype just because they make money out of it.
I wonder how much Nvidia pays for a clip about CP ray tracing.

Gregster · 24 Dec 2020 at 14:37

nvidiamd said:
Wow watched some german drama and i found out der8auer was offered 1000 euros by Nvidia to make a video about Minecraft RT. It doesn't look like much money but it makes you wonder how many of these youtubers have made a lot of money trying to convince people that RT is the best thing in the world. How many are genuine interested in RT and how many create this hype just because they make money out of it.
I wonder how much Nvidia pays for a clip about CP ray tracing.

It is normal for people to pay for advertising. Nothing new and they don't just get a GPU for free.

nvidiamd · 24 Dec 2020 at 14:42

Of course it is normal. If they tell you it is advertising. That is the problem.

Gregster · 24 Dec 2020 at 15:01

nvidiamd said:
Of course it is normal. If they tell you it is advertising. That is the problem.

What do you think reviews are? They are the best advertising they can do and all reviews will be screened and have set bullet points that need to be followed. NVidia, AMD, EVGA, Sapphire, Gigabyte etc will pay the big reviewers to review their GPUs.

nvidiamd · 24 Dec 2020 at 15:06

Gregster said:
What do you think reviews are? They are the best advertising they can do and all reviews will be screened and have set bullet points that need to be followed. NVidia, AMD, EVGA, Sapphire, Gigabyte etc will pay the big reviewers to review their GPUs.

They should not do that in theory. If you take money from a company then you should tell people that you are sponsored by that company. If you are not doing it, you are a shill, not a reviewer.

It is a win-win relationship. The company gets the product reviewed and the reviewer gets paid by the readers/viewers. It doesn't have to take money from the company.
In the case of Minecraft RTX - you make a video and earn money if there are enough viewers interested in that video. Or Nvidia pays you to make a video but then you tell your viewers that the video was sponsored by Nvidia.

Steampunk · 24 Dec 2020 at 17:06

nvidiamd said:
Of course it is normal. If they tell you it is advertising. That is the problem.

Linus makes a big point to differentiate between a review and a sponsored video designed for marketing purposes. I'm sure there a lots of websites/channels that don't have the principled stance that he and others take.

Grim5 · 24 Dec 2020 at 19:31

nvidiamd said:
Wow watched some german drama and i found out der8auer was offered 1000 euros by Nvidia to make a video about Minecraft RT. It doesn't look like much money but it makes you wonder how many of these youtubers have made a lot of money trying to convince people that RT is the best thing in the world. How many are genuine interested in RT and how many create this hype just because they make money out of it.
I wonder how much Nvidia pays for a clip about CP ray tracing.

LOL MC RT is awesome

Meanwhile AMD can't even make gpus

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-focusing-on-radeon-rx-6000-gaming-series-only-other-series-currently-not-planned-due-to-lack-of-navi-21-gpu-supply

MSI says going forward it's only going to make a single model of RX6000 cards because AMD is unable to provide stock

chris85oc · 24 Dec 2020 at 20:39

Nevermind, misread

EastCoastHandle · 24 Dec 2020 at 22:09

Poneros said:
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaackin hell mate, that's some STRONG blurring with DLSS. I knew they can't render reflections properly but that's just brutal. Still would like to use RT Lighting because the combination would work wonderfully with HDR, particularly as you see the signs emit their own light. But that didn't stop me from putting in my 100hr already for CP2077.

The funny thing is in my country prices kept going up with every new stock drop, so while I got my 6800 for 660e I can see bladi 3060 Tis reach that price now almost! It's a crazy, crazy time.

Gaming RT is still a niche. And without dlss it would be unplayable with all the droplets of RT elements in that game yet it still look mediocre to me. The would look a lot better if they fixed their HDR implementation but I digress.

Hopefully in 2021 we will see prices normalize and stock get better. After watching Jay's and someone else's video who use that HK waterblock on the stock 6800xt they can do around 2700Mhz with very little fluctuation. Quite a feat if you ask me.

And, we still haven't gotten performance drivers yet either. Pretty good if you ask me.

FoxEye · 25 Dec 2020 at 02:05

I'm so happy all the reviewers have cards

AMD can just stop now. Mission Accomplished. They don't need to make any more.

gpuerrilla · 25 Dec 2020 at 11:59

FoxEye said:
I'm so happy all the reviewers have cards

AMD can just stop now. Mission Accomplished. They don't need to make any more.

Wulfster · 25 Dec 2020 at 12:54

AMD - Launchers dream

EastCoastHandle · 25 Dec 2020 at 15:31

What a merry christmas it is as cb2077, the game that keeps giving, is official sued for lying. Optically, a death sentence regarding the credibility of the developer and Nvidia's posterchild game.

Making any reviewer who publish benchmarks results using it tone deaf to the level of contravsory surrounding the game. And show how careless and clumsy bias they are for including it in the suite. Which, to me, invalidates those results. And exposes the fraud around the game itself (why amd gpus do so bad in that game, sale figures, etc.). Not excluding the bugs, lack of realism rt brings vs the performance penalty. And how much dlss blurs the game to increase fps...to name a few.

The way its meant to be played...on itself. Haaa ha ha ha ha
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-projekt-sued-by-investor-over-botched-launch

It truly is the best game some never played.

Dontrocktheboat · 25 Dec 2020 at 16:20

EastCoastHandle said:
What a merry christmas it is as cb2077, the game that keeps giving, is official sued for lying. Optically, a death sentence regarding the credibility of the developer and Nvidia's posterchild game.

Making any reviewer who publish benchmarks results using it tone deaf to the level of contravsory surrounding the game. And show how careless and clumsy bias they are for including it in the suite. Which, to me, invalidates those results. And exposes the fraud around the game itself (why amd gpus do so bad in that game, sale figures, etc.). Not excluding the bugs, lack of realism rt brings vs the performance penalty. And how much dlss blurs the game to increase fps...to name a few.

The way its meant to be played...on itself. Haaa ha ha ha ha
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-projekt-sued-by-investor-over-botched-launch

It truly is the best game some never played.

Oh dear,

One investor in US is not happy, its a disaster!!

In the age of a global mutating pandemic, i think one buggy game and a crying investor is hardly worth posting.

but hey, what do i know, ho ho ho,

In the mean time, I am going to turn on 3090 / RT / DLSS and shred some CB2077. Let you know how the buggy game goes.

Dontrocktheboat · 25 Dec 2020 at 16:24

Its like watching DX10 vs DX12. Oh wait.......

Does "RAGE" help this game out in FPS?