Sounds like a great card. Let's hope it forces Nvidia to react with their pricing and technology!
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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.
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Why would they need to?
Because for the first time in more years I can remember there is some competition!
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But it's not sufficiently better to warrant Nvidia making any effort to match it. You can get an AIB 1070 for less money, unless you're taking the cooler off for a water block then a £380 reference blower card doesn't seem very competitive at all TBH.
I think it's AMD that need to pull their socks up here, AIB 56 should be under £350 before giving Nv anything to think about.
Ironically removing VRAM limits give the biggest FPS boost you can get. Fury (non X) at release was around £440 here in the UK, but as usual people compare massively reduced EOL pricing.
If Nvidia or AMD brought new tech out and price matched their EOL products we would have GPUs costing a few pence by now.
Yeah a complete rip off at those prices.
- Compared to Fury non X, RX 56 is at a lower price point on release prices (even accounting for lower exchange rate)
- It has double the VRAM
- And is up to 35% faster
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/08/22/amd_radeon_rx_vega_56_video_card_review/13
You know what the massive gaping hole in that argument is?
When nV release a new card - eg 1080 - it is much faster than the 980 it replaces. Thus they have no reason to match EOL pricing for the old card, because they're bringing a good chunk of extra perf.
When AMD's new card - eg a 480 - just about matches their old card - eg a 290X - then they have no justification in charging what the 290X cost at launch.
Yet that's what AMD do. 390 matched a 290, but they bumped the price. 580 matched a 480, and they bumped the price. 480 matched a 290X, and they bumped the price. Vega 56 matches a Fury, and they bumped the price.
When does nV release a card that is the same perf and release price as the card it replaces?
And turning that question on its head, if your new card only just matches the perf of your EOL card, why shouldn't I compare the EOL pricing to the new card's pricing? If you're not giving me any more perf?
No competition unfortunately. Nvidia could price drop and crush Vega but it has no need to react given how Vega turned out.
Glad I got a brand new 1080 for £430 back in Feb amid the cries of wait for Vega..
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Bog standard reference Vega 56 = £470
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...express-graphics-card-red-pack-gx-38a-sp.html
Custom cooled overclocked 1070 = £360
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/zota...s-graphics-card-zt-p10700g-10m-gx-10r-zt.html
Custom blower cooled 1080 = £480
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...dr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-406-as.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...express-graphics-card-red-pack-gx-38a-sp.html
Custom cooled overclocked 1070 = £360
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/zota...s-graphics-card-zt-p10700g-10m-gx-10r-zt.html
Custom blower cooled 1080 = £480
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...dr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-406-as.html
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Your 56 pricing is off, find the standalone card for 380. That's what I call skewing prices to suit. Lol oranges and apples do not compare right?
Just in case you cannot find it
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ress-graphics-card-stand-alone-gx-389-sp.html
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Iirc that one was limited quantity like the £450 vega 64 was - if it says preorder does that not mean they've sold out of the cheap ones already?
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Not long ordered one at that price so not sure you statement is entirely accurate, the difference seems to be the lack of bundled games.
fine by me. I. Can get them later cheaper.Edit yep the more expensive link is red pack, the link I posted is standalone
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Not long ordered one at that price so not sure you statement is entirely accurate, the difference seems to be the lack of bundled games.
People did the same with he 64's and had their orders cancelled once the first few hundred were out he door. I know gibbo said there were more of the 56's available at the lower price, but its also not an ongoing price, once the launch day stock is gone then only the pack price will be available.
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I am aware of the statements and yet I believe my post is still accurate.
If it does get Cancelled then I guess there will be no upgrade for me this year. Not paying more than what it's at, at the moment.
Well yes and no, if it says pre order it means pre order, so can be ordered at that price in you will receive the GPU (in the case of the 56 apparently with around a 1 week delay at the moment apparently). If it was mareked as being "out of stock" then yes the price can't be applied. But yes for the person who wants to buy a GPU today, can't wait for whatever reason, the only choice in the 56 price bracket is the cheaper 1070. But then at 380£ for the ref blower 56 i'd buy an AIB 1070 (even a windforce at 400 for example)
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R9 290X launch price:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/61505-amd-radeon-r9-290x/
https://www.bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/graphics/amd-radeon-r9-290x-4gb-review/1/
$549 and £449 at launch. Exchange rate:
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/b...ound-to-us-dollar-exchange-rate-on-2013-10-29
£1 was worth $1.63.
RX480 4GB launch price:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/93932-amd-radeon-rx-480-14nm-polaris/
https://www.bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-480-8gb-review/1/
$199 for 4GB model and $239 for 8GB model. Exchange rate:
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/b...ound-to-us-dollar-exchange-rate-on-2016-06-29
£1 was worth $1.33.
You even bought an RX480 4GB for £200 IIRC,or I must be mistaken.
Sure there were some nice R9 290 cards on clearance for £170 years ago,but in performance/pound no card is really going to match those. Even a £340 GTX1070 is not twice the performance of an aftermarket R9 290 looking at some reviews at places like TPU.
The R9 390 was an 8GB card - the R9 290 was a 4GB card. You know very well the R9 290/290X 8GB cards cost more than the R9 290/290X 4GB.
Here it is:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/a-new-best-sub-300-card-amd-290x-8gb.18653072/
The R9 290X 8GB was £330 RRP.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/
$10 more for RRP.
No it doesn't. You really love hyperbole,don't you??
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When I say "bumped the price" I obviously mean the new cards performed the same as the old EOL cards, but the pricing was higher than the EOL pricing for the old cards. Maybe matching or being slightly lower than the previous gens launch price also.
That's fine when your new card brings significantly better perf.
It's not fine when the EOL cards (at EOL pricing) perform the same/similar as your new cards, which cost vastly more than the EOL pricing.
Sure they may have come down slightly from the EOL cards launch prices, but you're still getting a big jump (up) in price for the SAME perf. Not cool. But that's AMD all over for the last few years.
When nV launch a new card it matches or jumps up from the previous cards launch price, but the perf jump in recent gens (except lower midrange which has stagnated badly on both sides) is significant, from xx70 to xx70, xx80 to xx80.
It's not hyperbole. It's the reason many people who'd like to buy AMD just can't. They aren't bringing any improvement in perf/$. In fact at the launches of their last 3 gens or more, inital perf/$ has been worse than their previous offerings by some margin!!!
That's fine when your new card brings significantly better perf.
It's not fine when the EOL cards (at EOL pricing) perform the same/similar as your new cards, which cost vastly more than the EOL pricing.
Sure they may have come down slightly from the EOL cards launch prices, but you're still getting a big jump (up) in price for the SAME perf. Not cool. But that's AMD all over for the last few years.
When nV launch a new card it matches or jumps up from the previous cards launch price, but the perf jump in recent gens (except lower midrange which has stagnated badly on both sides) is significant, from xx70 to xx70, xx80 to xx80.
It's not hyperbole. It's the reason many people who'd like to buy AMD just can't. They aren't bringing any improvement in perf/$. In fact at the launches of their last 3 gens or more, inital perf/$ has been worse than their previous offerings by some margin!!!
Yes you would be mad to buy one at £470, especially considering you can get one on pre-order for £380.
RX 56 release price in UK is £380 regardless if they are sold out at that price or not. That is £60 cheaper than Fury Pro at it's launch price. So AMD have reduced their MSRP price point for their second tier GPUs.
Fury release price $649
Fury Pro release price $549
RX 64 release price $499
RX 56 release price $399
I know the unfortunate debacle of prices due to price gouging and the "special release price" nonsense, but that does not change these facts.
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Its is hyperbole though - you literally said the R9 290X launch price and the RX480 launch price was the same!
You said the Fury(not Fury X even) had the same performance as Vega56. It doesn't - you are also in the review thread where Kaapstad has nicely updated the OP.Plus if you keep moaning about EOL pricing you might as well not have bought a card after those £170 aftermarket R9 290 cards. FFS,the Powercolor RX470 Red Devil 4GB I had for a while cost £160,which was not massively cheaper,and the GTX1060 3GB at the time COST MORE. Where were you moaning about that one?? 3GB card!! Pfft!!
I mean even consoles are going up in price,so what do you expect when companies are locking down more and more parts,and charging more and more for things like overclocking.
I can still remember when you could unlock a £60 Athlon on a £60 motherboard or overclocking an £85 Core i3 530 on a similar priced motherboard,or even 4C Intel CPUs for close to £100.
I can remember when the midrange cards were £135 to £200 and matching the previous generation top end £500 cards,etc. We are not going back to that market anytime soon - a combination of process node expenses and simply a shrinking PC market means,gamers are more of a focus to make that extra monies lost in lower margin markets.
Plus people are willing to pay those prices now especially with credit being so easy to come by.
Yes I rue what is now happening,but if PC gaming becomes too expensive then I will just stay behind the curve and have to deal with. I am also not really interested in home consoles too.
But at least its not as bad as the stupid phone market where simply adding another $30 to the price of the cameras,seems to add a few $100 to the label price!!
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Oh dear, what a ridiculous argument. Neither Nvidia nor AMD will price match for EOL GPUs on sale to clear stock.