Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

[chrcoluk]

Jay two cent just got 1980 on water Vega

https://twitter.com/JayzTwoCents/status/902276773009793024

please quote next time, as he has pulled the url.

 

[FoxEye]

I mean you really think computers are bad? Look at phones and indeed look at one of my other hobbies,photography?? A combination of the weaker pound and Yen price increases has massively increased prices. I mean my D600 cost £670 from JL,ex-display,and they could be had for just over £1000 new a few years ago. They are now £1250 and the replacement for that and the D750 will probably cost even more. I mean I got a Fuji XT10 kit for £350 late last year on offer for a family member,and the XT20 with the SAME lens costs £900 now.

Phones are crazy. I don't know why people pay £600 for a phone.

I spent £100 three (four?) years ago on a PAYG phone which I use to this day. Before that I didn't even have a smart phone. I don't have any expensive hobbies, btw. PC gaming was the most expensive hobby by far that I have (others like walking, cycling and playing footy are very low cost).

Not all of us are happy to pee our money into the wind, you know Just because PC gaming isn't more expensive than say, golf membership, doesn't mean it can get more expensive every year and we should just go with it. Earning money isn't easy or quick.

 

[ICDP]

£469 isn't "much cheaper" If only a few hundred people can buy at £380 than you can't claim that's the real price.

Well you can, but it's clearly not going to make anyone feel better that a handful of people were able to buy at that price then everyone else has to pay £90 more

Like it or not the RX 56 is currently available for pre-order at £380. You can argue all you want but it is a fact.

 

[chrcoluk]

TH,just released their Vega 56 review:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-rx-vega-56,5202.html

There is no DVI interface, which was a smart choice since it allows for much better airflow.

reviewers shouldnt be praising lack of DVI, there is more monitors in use today with DVI than DP, so it will leave many end users up **** creek.

If the airflow is really needed, then just remove a DP instead of the DVI.

No reviewer has ever explained why 2 or 3 DP and no DVI is better than 1 or 2 DP and 1 DVI.

I give respect for the guy on pcper who did challenge it, when the nvidia rep turned up with a card without DVI he was pretty annoyed, challenged the rep but of course got blown off, at least he challenged it tho.

 

[Martini1991]

Thing is, people buy monitors pretty sparingly, so people will still have DVI monitors etc. You've got people gaming on 1080p TN pieces of crap with monster GPU set ups at times lol.

 

[Rroff]

I know it sucks for those with only DVI but personally I'd rather see it gone - we have too many interface standards and DVI is one of the least useful ones in terms of future use.

 

[shankly1985]

please quote next time, as he has pulled the url.

Had no idea, don't sit around refreshing JayzTwoCents twitter lol

 

[chrcoluk]

Thing is, people buy monitors pretty sparingly, so people will still have DVI monitors etc. You've got people gaming on 1080p TN pieces of crap with monster GPU set ups at times lol.

yep exactly my point

GPUs should have flexible options so hdmi, DP and DVI. I dont see the benefit of having 3 DPs and no DVI on a card.

 

[Martini1991]

Probably removed as he didn't hit 2GHZ, he's just not as analytical as he thinks he is.

 

[ICDP]

reviewers shouldnt be praising lack of DVI, there is more monitors in use today with DVI than DP, so it will leave many end users up **** creek.

If the airflow is really needed, then just remove a DP instead of the DVI.

No reviewer has ever explained why 2 or 3 DP and no DVI is better than 1 or 2 DP and 1 DVI.

I give respect for the guy on pcper who did challenge it, when the nvidia rep turned up with a card without DVI he was pretty annoyed, challenged the rep but of course got blown off, at least he challenged it tho.

3 DP is required to get Eyefinity working with Freesync and HDMI is required for HTPC. The AIB ones have DVI.

Get one of these for £10 and lack of a DVI port will never be an issue.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sand...o-dvi-i-female-converter-cable-cb-006-sb.html

 

[chrcoluk]

I know it sucks for those with only DVI but personally I'd rather see it gone - we have too many interface standards and DVI is one of the least useful ones in terms of future use.

Its just as capable as HDMI for video output so odd statement.

If anything on PC HDMI should go as it was designed for TVs.

DVI is a no thrills digital video output, because of its simplicity it is more reliable than HDMI and DP. Also there is more monitors out in the wild with DVI than DP, most people dont buy a new monitor when they buy a new GPU, although I do wonder if there is an intention here to have planned obsolescence with this policy by nvidia and AMD.

The almighty DP on my monitor is buggy, if I turn the monitor off and on again when using DP I get a no video output error because the DP stays asleep. This is what happens when something gets too complex. Also I own 4 monitors that I still use and only one has DP.

By the way here is a monitor on ocuk for sale today

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...n-led-multimedia-monitor-black-mo-085-as.html

No DP as is the case with many low end screens. I dont think its unreasonable to pair something like a RX Vega 56 with a 1080p screen.

Actually check the list here, most dont support DP in the section.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/monitors/by-size/22-55.88cm

The trend seems to be that high end gaming screens (freesync/gsync) dont have DVI at all as abandoned by gaming companies, but the low end all purpose monitors dont have DP, some may have HDMI but most dont have that either.

So we have inconsistencies in the monitor sector and AMD/nvidia abandoning the low end on their founder edition cards.

 

[chrcoluk]

3 DP is required to get Eyefinity working with Freesync.

So they pushing that for freesync then. What about people who dont care about freesync, sounds like they need a second SKU so people can choose (this goes for nvidia also).

Hopefully the AIB partners will see sense and readd DVI like they did with nvidia.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So its easy - just hang onto what you have for longer! I mean look on Steam,the most represented performance card IS the GTX1070 which has more share than all the performance cards above it combined. Of the top 20 cards on Steam,16 of them have worse performance than a GTX970. Two of them are the GTX970 and GTX1060 which are matched in share by the GTX750TI and GTX960.

That shows you most titles don't NEED mega performance unless you like higher res displays,max details or ultra high framerates,which is more the preserve of enthusiasts and yes that is all very nice and shiny(I have a qHD display and like shiny graphics though),but most of my gaming mates don't care for ultra graphics. People are acting like if they don't upgrade all the time,you suddenly can't play most games. If that was the case,most devs would suddenly have zero sales on the PC.

See how many were moaning about Intel not increasing performance,etc enough for XYZ whilst still buying the said CPUs. If the performance upgrade is not there for the money you are paying,then wait - my IB Core i7 is ancient and not even overclockable. I am quite happy to wait another year or so to buy a new platform. I am sure I am bottlenecked on the CPU side,but meh.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So they pushing that for freesync then. What about people who dont care about freesync, sounds like they need a second SKU so people can choose (this goes for nvidia also).

Hopefully the AIB partners will see sense and readd DVI like they did with nvidia.

Yep they do have DVI:

https://videocardz.com/72190/asus-shows-off-rog-strix-radeon-rx-vega-56

Having said that,quite a few monitors are starting to drop DVI even at the lower end. I recently replaced my 10 year old Phillips monitor with a Dell UP2516D - luckily it came with a DP cable,as I didn't have any!!

Edit!!

Also I think it might also not only be for FreeSync.

Having only DP and HDMI enables the blower cooler to have a larger vent for hot air too:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_56/images/outputs.jpg

 

[chrcoluk]

Yep they do have DVI:

https://videocardz.com/72190/asus-shows-off-rog-strix-radeon-rx-vega-56

Having said that,quite a few monitors are starting to drop DVI even at the lower end. I recently replaced my 10 year old Phillips monitor with a Dell UP2516D - luckily it came with a DP cable,as I didn't have any!!

Edit!!

Also I think it might also not only be for FreeSync.

Having only DP and HDMI enables the blower cooler to have a larger vent for hot air too:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_56/images/outputs.jpg

Replace one of the DP with DVI and everyone is happy are they not?

check how many of these displays have DP.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/monitors/by-size/22-55.88cm

Just about every monitor either has DP or DVI, many dont have HDMI. Low end is dominated by DVI, highend by DP.

GPUs should offer choice, not concentrate on one type of user. Thats all I am saying, I have always seen multiple outputs on a GPU as to provide choice of technology rather than multi display.

 

[FoxEye]

The almighty DP on my monitor is buggy, if I turn the monitor off and on again when using DP I get a no video output error because the DP stays asleep.

My monitor wouldn't come out of sleep with a DP cable and it turned out it was the cable that was to blame.

Turns out many el cheapo DP cables don't conform to the DP spec, and they (from memory) wire the 20th pin which should be left disconnected as per the spec. That causes issues such as monitor not coming out of sleep.

Sounds unbelievable, but it's true. Bought a more expensive cable on the official certified vendors list (google it) and it has worked properly ever since. I used to think there was no difference between a cheap cable and any other cable, but in this case it was wrong.

 

[chrcoluk]

I did try a second DP cable.

I also tried multiple GPUs, the only part I didnt replace was the monitor.

Maybe one day I will try a 3rd cable tho to be sure. But still I think AMD/nvidia releasing GPUs with no DVI is shocking, I have proven DVI is not an obsolete technology no longer on current screens been sold.

FoxEye you now have me too curious, can you be ind enough to post a link to a cable you recommend? or at least the brand name of one, thanks.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Replace one of the DP with DVI and everyone is happy are they not?

check how many of these displays have DP.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/monitors/by-size/22-55.88cm

Just about every monitor either has DP or DVI, many dont have HDMI. Low end is dominated by DVI, highend by DP.

GPUs should offer choice, not concentrate on one type of user. Thats all I am saying, I have always seen multiple outputs on a GPU as to provide choice of technology rather than multi display.

I had a looksy,and it seems the Fury Nano and Fury X also had similar arrangements:

http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/cont...adeon-r9-nano-video-card-review-fury-dead.jpg
https://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/06/amd-radeon-fury-x-front-view-100592009-orig.jpg

The Fury Nano backplate looks almost identical to the Vega56 one.

 

[FoxEye]

I did try a second DP cable.

I also tried multiple GPUs, the only part I didnt replace was the monitor.

Maybe one day I will try a 3rd cable tho to be sure. But still I think AMD/nvidia releasing GPUs with no DVI is shocking, I have proven DVI is not an obsolete technology no longer on current screens been sold.

FoxEye you now have me too curious, can you be ind enough to post a link to a cable you recommend? or at least the brand name of one, thanks.

https://www.displayport.org/cables/how-to-choose-a-displayport-cable-and-not-get-a-bad-one/

Recently VESA has experienced quite a few complaints regarding troublesome DisplayPort operation that ended up being caused by improperly made DisplayPort cables. These “bad” DisplayPort cables are generally limited to non-DisplayPort certified cables, or off-brand cables. To further investigate this trend in the DisplayPort cable market, VESA purchased a number of non-certified, off-brand cables and found that an alarmingly high number of these were configured improperly and would likely not support all system configurations. None of these cables would have passed the DisplayPort certification test, moreover some of these cables could potentially damage a PC, laptop, or monitor. We have not seen problems with the cables supplied by major computer brands, or major computer accessory brands, nor have we seen any problems with any of the cables that have been DisplayPort certified.

Their certified list:

https://www.displayport.org/products-database/?products_category[]=cables-connectors&products_manufacturer=

I think this is the one I bought, but I don't seem to have any records of the purchase (which is odd, I keep everything...) It was £15.

https://www.accellcables.com/products/ultraav-displayport-to-displayport-version-1-2-cable

e: It was "Accell B088C-007B 6.6ft Ultra AV Display Port Cable" and it was £10, not £15

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

You don't need to spend that much - the Dell OEM cable works fine. I tried it with two different Nvidia cards(Maxwell and Pascal) and an AMD one(Polaris).

You can get them for £2.95 from a certain place.

Edit!!

Its a Displayport 1.2 cable if that helps. I use it on a Dell UP2516D.

Second Edit!!

The model number is CN507AA.