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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

What do we think about Vega?

  • What has AMD been doing for the past 1-2 years?

  • It consumes how many watts and is how loud!!!

  • It is not that bad.

  • Want to buy but put off by pricing and warranty.

  • I will be buying one for sure (I own a Freesync monitor so have little choice).

  • Better red than dead.


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I saw the price as £640 for the Vega AIO, was that what you meant by launch price? If so, even with an AIO it wouldn't touch the £640 Gigabyte 1080Ti that gibbo had on pre-order.

The point I was getting at was that even with an AIO it gets nowhere near a similar priced 1080Ti and then only just about beats an AiB 1080 costing over £100 less
Yeah, but some do not want to see this for some reason.

There is no if's or but's here. The 1080Ti offers better performance and better price for performance vs the Liquid Edition.

That is why as even a Freesync monitor owner I am disappointed with AMD and Vega. If I sell my Freesync monitor in the near future and went G-Sync, as Nvidia offer better price for performance, over 2-3 upgrades I would potentially break even and have the benefit of having the better performance available to me over a year in advance.
 
If the 56 was fast enough for someone, it looks good, in fairness. But if I was going to get anything, it would have to be faster, and preferably better value - so still nothing for me on the whole high-end gpu market! Maybe next year :(megasadface:(

I feel your pain man. I am feeling it too. I have 4K monitor with Freesync in the 40-60 range. Vega cannot even keep in the Freesync range of all games that are out today, let alone the one's I want to play next year.

Another route I may go down is just keep my monitor, get Volta if games I want to play start coming out before Navi, then sell the Volta and get Navi when it eventually comes out god knows when in the future. Navi will hopefully be able to do 60fps 4K in 2018/19 games :D
 
I saw the price as £640 for the Vega AIO, was that what you meant by launch price? If so, even with an AIO it wouldn't touch the £640 Gigabyte 1080Ti that gibbo had on pre-order.

The point I was getting at was that even with an AIO it gets nowhere near a similar priced 1080Ti and then only just about beats an AiB 1080 costing over £100 less

But your not comparing like for like. A RX Vega 64 liquid edition comes with it's own self contained water cooler where as the 1080Ti comes with a conventional heatsink and fan design. The Vega 64 is around 1080 performance so if a RX Vega 64 costs £650 with an AIO how much does a GTX1080 costs with an AIO? Well looking at the store the Gigiabyte model costs exactly the same.

If you want to moan about pricing then you should be pointing out that you can by an el cheapo GTX1080 for £450 that has a blower style cooler whereas the cheapest RX Vega 64 start at around £548 that has a similer style cooler (the RX Vega might have vapor chamber on it though).
 
seems 56 listed as £399 (no pre-order but with notify option)- was thinking it was meant to get the same treatment as 64 with price drop for launch, as most reviewers stated £350 for it
would be a quicker rush for it then the 64 lol
 
Great looking card, overpriced for what it is and only 2 years warranty. If in the next couple of weeks AMD do decide to do the pre-order special deal on the Liquid Edition again with a partner other than Sapphire and PowerColor which offer additional warranty, I may yet still reconsider.
The 2 year warranty is strange because they seem to be well built. Do they not believe in the product? You expect 2 year warranties with budget cards that these are clearly not.
 
seems 56 listed as £399 (no pre-order but with notify option)- was thinking it was meant to get the same treatment as 64 with price drop for launch, as most reviewers stated £350 for it
would be a quicker rush for it then the 64 lol
It looks like it could be on offer for a limited time -

Lets try to make it clear before launch, AMD have said a LAUNCH PRICE of $399, what that means is they will give retailers a set quantity to sell at that price, when that quantity is gone the price will go up to whatever retailer deems is fair and makes them a profit.

Expect $399+TAX to convert to somewhere between £349-£399 with VAT and then don't be shocked if within one hour of launch the LAUNCH stock sells out and the price jumps to around £450+ area.

As you say, they'll go quickly!
 
It begs the question, why didn't AMD just go for more cores over higher clockspeed? In the review by Anandtech, they stated that they spoke to an AMD engineer who said they are not limited by 4 compute engines but instead chose to stick with that design and just increase clocks and focus on features such as hbcc . They decided to use 4b transistors and a decent amount of die space just to increase clockspeeds, instead of adding more compute engines. A 6144 core Vega clocked similarly to Polaris 20, i.e. 1300 MHz base and 1400-1500MHz boost would most likely be enough to solidly be ahead of the 1080 and get into 1080Ti territory.

Perhaps they actually see adding more cores to the die as being a dead end for them in future development and didn't want to waste R&D funds on developing it? According to GloFo they expect a greater than 50% reduction in die size, going from 14nm LPP to 7nm LP with a sizeable increase in performance via higher clocks also expected. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11558...nm-plans-three-generations-700-mm-hvm-in-2018

If this is the case then AMD's design for Vega may in fact be a stepping stone to Navi, which will utilise multiple dies like Threadripper and Epyc. If they can produce the same Vega 10 die on 7nm LP, it'll be comparable in size to Polaris 10 and with the higher clock speed design of the architecture it should be able to boost in excess of 2 GHz with the smaller node size. If they stick four of those dies on an interposer or as a MCM, that'll give a 16000+ core monster which they can clock down slightly to save power whilst having incredible performance as an overall card. Then with the mid range they'll use a single die but clock it high as possible to get the most performance out of it at the cost of power efficiency.

So tldr the reason why Vega performance is disappointing, could be because it's just a stopgap essentially.
 
The 2 year warranty is strange because they seem to be well built. Do they not believe in the product? You expect 2 year warranties with budget cards that these are clearly not.
Exactly. They seem very well built and look great. For the premium one is paying, I expect minimum 3 years warranty. The 2 year warranty sends out all the wrong signals to me and is a complete put off.
 
But your not comparing like for like. A RX Vega 64 liquid edition comes with it's own self contained water cooler where as the 1080Ti comes with a conventional heatsink and fan design. The Vega 64 is around 1080 performance so if a RX Vega 64 costs £650 with an AIO how much does a GTX1080 costs with an AIO? Well looking at the store the Gigiabyte model costs exactly the same.

If you want to moan about pricing then you should be pointing out that you can by an el cheapo GTX1080 for £450 that has a blower style cooler whereas the cheapest RX Vega 64 start at around £548 that has a similer style cooler (the RX Vega might have vapor chamber on it though).

He is comparing like for like because the 1080Ti doesn't need its own self contained water cooler to achieve that performance.
 
It begs the question, why didn't AMD just go for more cores over higher clockspeed? In the review by Anandtech, they stated that they spoke to an AMD engineer who said they are not limited by 4 compute engines but instead chose to stick with that design and just increase clocks and focus on features such as hbcc . They decided to use 4b transistors and a decent amount of die space just to increase clockspeeds, instead of adding more compute engines. A 6144 core Vega clocked similarly to Polaris 20, i.e. 1300 MHz base and 1400-1500MHz boost would most likely be enough to solidly be ahead of the 1080 and get into 1080Ti territory.

Perhaps they actually see adding more cores to the die as being a dead end for them in future development and didn't want to waste R&D funds on developing it? According to GloFo they expect a greater than 50% reduction in die size, going from 14nm LPP to 7nm LP with a sizeable increase in performance via higher clocks also expected. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11558...nm-plans-three-generations-700-mm-hvm-in-2018

If this is the case then AMD's design for Vega may in fact be a stepping stone to Navi, which will utilise multiple dies like Threadripper and Epyc. If they can produce the same Vega 10 die on 7nm LP, it'll be comparable in size to Polaris 10 and with the higher clock speed design of the architecture it should be able to boost in excess of 2 GHz with the smaller node size. If they stick four of those dies on an interposer or as a MCM, that'll give a 16000+ core monster which they can clock down slightly to save power whilst having incredible performance as an overall card. Then with the mid range they'll use a single die but clock it high as possible to get the most performance out of it at the cost of power efficiency.

So tldr the reason why Vega performance is disappointing, could be because it's just a stopgap essentially.

I am probably setting myself up for disappointment again. But I hope Navi turns out to be good and comes out by Q1 2019. Really looking forward to see what Raja has come up with.

Would be great to build a Navi + Zen 2 PC. I will be due a PC upgrade around 2019 :D


I am very stunned to see 3 people bought PowerColor RX Vega 64 Liquid Edition for £779.99 that are £120 more expensive and 30% slower than Gigabyte GTX 1080 Ti at £659.99.

Madness! :eek::o

Lets be honest, you are stunned when anyone buys a Radeon card full stop :p;)
 
All Nvidia need is a price drop.
That would be quite a hefty price drop to make up for the cost of G-sync.
I dont think they will drop or see the need. The plan is probably make profits now to pay for Volta then use that to beat any future contenders.
But if they did want to destroy then:

1050 - £75
1060 - £160
1070 - £270
1080 - £380

I am probably setting myself up for disappointment again. But I hope Navi turns out to be good and comes out by Q1 2019. Really looking forward to see what Raja has come up with.

Would be great to build a Navi + Zen 2 PC. I will be due a PC upgrade around 2019 :D

Yep yep but I think its another case of H1 2019
Does 7nm and each reduction get more fiddly each time or would hbm3 be a possible delay
 
But your not comparing like for like. A RX Vega 64 liquid edition comes with it's own self contained water cooler where as the 1080Ti comes with a conventional heatsink and fan design. The Vega 64 is around 1080 performance so if a RX Vega 64 costs £650 with an AIO how much does a GTX1080 costs with an AIO? Well looking at the store the Gigiabyte model costs exactly the same.

If you want to moan about pricing then you should be pointing out that you can by an el cheapo GTX1080 for £450 that has a blower style cooler whereas the cheapest RX Vega 64 start at around £548 that has a similer style cooler (the RX Vega might have vapor chamber on it though).

Why should you need to when a gtx 1080Ti doesn't need a watercooling solution to begin with?

A lot of good quality 'Tis such as my old Gigabyte Aorus xtreme Ti that was £700 came with 2025mhz (2101mhz oc) out of the box.

The pricing is ridiculous, the AIO should at the very most be £500-550. Considering the RX 64 is 30-40% behind a good 1080Ti.

Even the overclocked liquid cooled AIO AMDmatt posted earlier was on par with an overclocked gtx 1080.
 
Yep yep but I think its another case of H1 2019
Does 7nm and each reduction get more fiddly each time or would hbm3 be a possible delay

No, please don't say that. Going to have nightmares tonight... H1 2019 means Q3 2019 to AMD.

Maybe Raja will come through on his 4k capable PC for under $1000.
I hope so :)

I have seen a lot of people be very harsh on him online due to Vega, saying silly things like fire him etc. But I won't judge the man's work until Navi and even then if it cannot beat Volta, people need to understand he has a lot less R&D money to work with than Nvidia.
 
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