Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

[Hotwired]

Circular rumour time, we discuss HardOCP forum chatter discussing OCUK forum chatter.

Does the forum owner have the balls to say it straight that AMD is breaking a law, nope, just an insinuation because he's got no idea but saying it in ignorance as a fact when you're a company owner is how you get sued for libel and HardOCP apparently needs funds so that doesn't sound like a plan.

 

[fs123]

I'm actually sick of the extortionate gpu prices whether it's AMD or Nvidia. The pricing is so ridiculous that the 1060/580 are over £350 which is supposed to be 1070 level pricing.
I won't be giving my cash to these greedy companies. Instead I will buy a used gpu from now on unless this price gauging ends.

 

[eddyr]

Whats the claim that they are breaking the law, as in what specific action is illegal in the US?

 

[chrcoluk]

I dont know if changing MSRP is illegal to change in america, it would seem an odd law as prices can always be subject to change for various reasons, that just seems odd, but I dont recall it happening like this ever before in the PC industry.

I dont know if it ever sold for 499usd in america? I have only seen this temporary price happen in EU, but did it also happen in america?

 

[Hotwired]

I dont know if changing MSRP is illegal to change in america, it would seem an odd law as prices can always be subject to change for various reasons, that just seems odd, but I dont recall it happening like this ever before in the PC industry.

I dont know if it ever sold for 499usd in america? I have only seen this temporary price happen in EU, but did it also happen in america?

You like saying MSRP can you provide a source for that.

It's easy to find people talking about an AMD sponsored limited stock launch price, which isn't the full price but the term you use is not the same thing.

 

[Hotwired]

Don't worry about it, I got you.

Gibbo has released the SEP (Suggested Etailer Price) for the Vega cards

The SEP is $599 and $699 excluding tax.

As Videocardz said before launch, before they forgot, the launch price was just for hitting launch price.

Gibbo said this on launch day at the very top of his announcement thread:

Now the good and bad news, the good news is AMD are rebating early launch sales to allow us to hit £449.99 on the stand alone black card which has no games. This is a launch only price which AMD at present are saying will be withdrawn in the near future, when if it happens is unknown, but remember do not be shocked if the price jumps nearly £100 in a few days.

This time round there is no early adopter tax, quite the opposite on the stand alone black card, so do be quick.

Drama being spun out of nothing.

 

[Razor Time]

 

[V F]

I'm actually sick of the extortionate gpu prices whether it's AMD or Nvidia. The pricing is so ridiculous that the 1060/580 are over £350 which is supposed to be 1070 level pricing.
I won't be giving my cash to these greedy companies. Instead I will buy a used gpu from now on unless this price gauging ends.

Who were the people saying competition brings prices down?

 

[chrcoluk]

You like saying MSRP can you provide a source for that.

It's easy to find people talking about an AMD sponsored limited stock launch price, which isn't the full price but the term you use is not the same thing.

I am lost, the source of the MSRP came from a link you posted today.

Take a step back, stop trying to defend AMD with bias, without thinking about what you saying.

 

[Hotwired]

I am lost, the source of the MSRP came from a link you posted today.

Point at it, my memory fails me on where I linked MSRP.

I've provided links to many things including Gibbo stating the SEP of $599 and $699 which I found for you.

I don't like the generic argument escape of someone else being biased. I get attracted to the holes in really bad arguments that I can see as actually spun out of nothing, the price one feels just like that.

 

[chrcoluk]

Point at it, my memory fails me on where I linked MSRP.

I've provided links to many things including Gibbo stating the SEP of $599 and $699 which I found for you.

I don't like the generic argument escape of someone else being biased. I get attracted to the holes in really bad arguments that I can see as actually spun out of nothing, the price one feels just like that.

The videocardz article you linked to has MSRP listed.

To me its quite simple really. It looks like AMD pulled a stunt by telling reviewers a price that wasnt the proper price, but instead some kind of very short lived promotional price, this then led reviewers to base their reviews on that false misleading price.

Nvidia has their issues, but I dont think I have ever seen them do something this stupid, likewise with intel.

We also dont know if AMD asked reviewers to compare the 56 to 1070 and 64 to 1080 in the reviewer guide. Usually there is a guide where they suggest/ask for certian benchmarks to be ran and to concentrate on certain things which goes well with marketing strategy, e.g. on pascal nvidia wanted reviewers to compare to kepler refresh and ignore maxwell. Many reviewers obliged.

 

[Hotwired]

The videocardz article you linked to has MSRP listed.

Doesn't look like it's from AMD, not with shop names and different currencies listed. It's a guess but isn't that graph made by the site?

Oh it is:

Take a look at the following chart, this is a compiled list of all pricing information that we saw or were told about. Don’t look at the prices as if they were final, look at the trend where black blower cards are offered at the same price as limited edition.

Sources used: *Ask-Corp, Computerbase, LambdaTek, ShopBLT, MDComputers, PCThemes

This is what they were thinking before launch, alongside that graph:

This is not the first time the product is offered at a higher price than first advertised. This usually happens for preorders or shortly after launch. However few shops will still offer Vega 64 at official suggested price, just so AMD can say it was sold for 499 USD.

Which is what happened, a few preferred shops got limited stock to sell at 499 to hit launch price. Box ticked, the card was sold at the price, not a lot, but it was.

 

[chrcoluk]

like the headline, even tho the card is competing with the 1080TI, oh dear.

 

[chrcoluk]

Doesn't look like it's from AMD, not with shop names and different currencies listed. It's a guess but isn't that graph made by the site?

This is what they were thinking before launch, alongside that graph:



Which is what happened, a few preferred shops got limited stock to sell at 499 to hit launch price. Box ticked, the card was sold at the price, not a lot, but it was.

A very tiny fraction of the stock, to state it was sold at that price as a standard phrase is misleading the consumer. Its a dirty trick. Cannot believe you defending it, it is not defendable.

What is amusing tho is that more than one reviewer has said that AMD likely did this so they can say it was available at that price, however you who claims to have no bias is saying it as one would expect AMD corporate to say it.

Lets see if anyone agrees with you.

I have still yet to see anything from reviewers tho other than small comments and footnotes on their reviews, as predicted none have the balls to actually republish a review based on the new data.

Also hotwired you suggested only end of a review needs changing.

Check the title of this video

Also check the test results, 1070 and 1080 present, 1080ti omitted.

Oh regarding the MSRP.

Check the table again.

It has MSRP - which would come from AMD where else?
It then has prices leaked from the retailers you listed which they stated may not be final.

The retailers are nothing to do with the MSRP.

Also a few reviewers have now confirmed they were told 499usd from AMD, so add the 100usd and that makes 599usd.

 

[Hotwired]

What is amusing tho is that more than one reviewer has said that AMD likely did this so they can say it was available at that price, however you who claims to have no bias is saying it as one would expect AMD corporate to say it.

Sounds like a backhanded way of agreeing with me.

I'll take it, progress is progress

 

[chrcoluk]

Where I agree for sure is AMD need to come out and tell everyone what they say the RRP is.

Then based on that statement jigsaw pieces can be put together on what long term price expectations are and what nvidia cards they competing against.

 

[Hotwired]

Also hotwired you suggested only end of a review needs changing.

Check the title of this video

Also check the test results, 1070 and 1080 present, 1080ti omitted.

But I said decent reviews when I said that, like a 20 page review showing all details. Like this for example: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-8gb-review,1.html

A huge pile of results from many cards. You can see comparisons between cards you didn't even think of.

Video reviewers do micro comparisons to farm views because doing a really broad review is not entertaining. So they ignored many comparisons and decided in advance what they want to show, literally trying to do the thinking for people.

If you decide you don't like the small selection they chose, well it's a video, they need to start from scratch.

Where I agree for sure is AMD need to come out and tell everyone what they say the RRP is.

For the third time:

The SEP is $599 and $699 excluding tax.

$499 was the official launch price on limited stock of the black card with no games, again, as Gibbo said, on launch day:

Now the good and bad news, the good news is AMD are rebating early launch sales to allow us to hit £449.99 on the stand alone black card which has no games. This is a launch only price which AMD at present are saying will be withdrawn in the near future, when if it happens is unknown, but remember do not be shocked if the price jumps nearly £100 in a few days.

This time round there is no early adopter tax, quite the opposite on the stand alone black card, so do be quick.

 

[Shin1234]

I think one of the main things thats going off right now is that the entire message is getting lost somewhere, we knew there would be packs and stand alone, to me it feels like now retailers and amd are turning around and going, these cards are shifting to fast, to us it doesnt feel like gamers are getting them and then thinking right only sell packs. And i think that is the key in all of this as the increased pack price is exactly what there going to sell at now. So it might not be a case that the price has jumped up specifically, but they are only selling packs from this point forward.

And remember with the packs everything else is optional as the discounts apply at the basket, yes places like ocuk have bundled stuff together but the increased price pack makes you eligable for those discounts at checkout. What do people think ??

Add into that, vega 56 and 64 are not weak cards, are they the top, nope. But they sure as hell aint the bottom of the barrel either.

 

[Hotwired]

The hardware + cards thing was a horrible idea.

It would have been cleaner to say **** it, maybe the miners do take them all, let them.

 

[Shin1234]

The hardware + cards thing was a horrible idea.

It would have been cleaner to say **** it, maybe the miners do take them all, let them.

I agree fully with you there, if miners want these cards they will get them, and between pure gamers and pure miners i know who has tons of cash. So as an incentive to keep miners away from it, its a parp idea, but saying that i have no idea how to keep miners from gobling everything up. That said, a huge discount on a grands worth of freesync monitor isnt bad.