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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

What do we think about Vega?

  • What has AMD been doing for the past 1-2 years?

  • It consumes how many watts and is how loud!!!

  • It is not that bad.

  • Want to buy but put off by pricing and warranty.

  • I will be buying one for sure (I own a Freesync monitor so have little choice).

  • Better red than dead.


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Unless they want to kill the 64 at birth the 56 won't be too far away in end pricing, 10% performance difference and the 64 selling for 599, my guess is the 56 will be set at 349 at launch ( for 5 minutes) and then 499 thereafter

That's basically killing it anyways selling at that price!
 
That stunt they pulled with pricing was the last straw for me. Its on the same level as what NVIDIA did with that 3.5GB on the 970.Now I am waiting for Volta. I am sure the 2070 will give 1080ti performance for Vega 56 pricing. Vega is too little too late. THE AIB cards come in Spetember by which time we are just 3-4 months away from Volta
 
The reviews are all invalid anyway, as the cards don't work properly, they still have functions that havn't been turned on yet.


That appears to be one of the biggest issues, They weren't really ready to release yet.

I think that for AMD releasing Vega and NCU put's them in a position where they have to go back to the beginning and start the driver optimisation again. GCN had aged well because they had years in which to develop it's software support which they did well, We might find that it'll take quite a while for them to get NCU upto that sort of standard.

The best thing we can all do is keep putting in regular issue reports when you find a bug or problem, I've done two so far and I'll keep at it until they're gone.


AMD Bug Form
http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D23A3DE979
 
Have people seen this:

http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20170808000038-260202

(AMD) this year Jedi big counterattack, x86 acceleration processor (APU) and server processor market share steadily rising, the graphics processor (GPU) is also sold out of stock. (2330) embrace, 7 nm APU and GPU orders will be in the first half of next year in the TSMC production capacity of the film production and production, and to speed up the process of micro-speed, has decided to return to the foundry leader TSMC (2330) The

AMD in the 20 years before the 28-nanometer APU and GPU chips, mostly by TSMC OEM production, in 2015 decided to APU and GPU product line into the 14-nanometer fin-type field effect transistor (FinFET) process, the product The line has been handed over to GMF. Therefore, TSMC last year and this year, although actively seeking 16-nanometer orders, but from the main line of the main product line is almost zero.

Restricted Gloriafeld production capacity

AMD launched a new generation of Polaris architecture GPU last year, the market reaction is applauded but not called, the main reason is the occasion of the launch of the occasion, although the massive, but limited by the foundry 14 nanometer production capacity is limited, can not enlarge the shipments, wait until Competitors Huide (NVIDIA) TSMC 16-nanometer process using the Pascal architecture GPU introduced after the AMD GPU foundry production has been out. As the Huida Pascal architecture GPU is a newer architecture, AMD is due to limited production capacity and lost market opportunities.

The second half of fear and see out of stock

AMD has introduced a series of Ryzen processors and EPYC server processors based on the Zen architecture this year, and now appears to have strong sales momentum, the new Vega architecture GPU also received market praise, but AMD is now facing the biggest problem is still Gloriafeld can fully support the required 14 nm and 14+ nanometer production capacity. The industry believes that Glover in recent years, there is no expansion of 14 nanometer production capacity, limited capacity in the case of limited, do not rule out AMD APU and GPU in the second half will still be out of stock situation.

Taiwan after the annual order to eat?

In order to solve the problem of capacity constraints, while speeding up the process of micro-speed, AMD next year 7 nm APU and GPU OEM orders will return to TSMC. According to industry sources, AMD will be introduced next year, several Zen 2 architecture APU processor, and a new generation of Navi architecture GPU chips, etc., will use TSMC 7nm process mass production. If the process is smooth, do not rule out the new generation of 719 nanometer process APU and GPU will also be TSMC won the OEM orders.

AMD has not repeatedly commented on the foundry strategy, however, the executive director Su Zifeng (Lisa Su) has repeatedly said that TSMC and Gloria Plaza are extremely important foundry partners.

Ultra-third quarter of last year, the first six degrees modified with Grosfond's wafer supply agreement, which is a modification of the provisions of the ultra-wafer to Girona Fond other than the foundry to buy wafers, in order to win Other wafer foundries, ultra-pay 100 million US dollars in cash to Ge Luo Fang as a price. In other words, AMD can seek other foundry production capacity support, and TSMC is the first choice for ultra-micro partners.

(Business Times)

So AMD is going to use TSMC 7NM next year for its APUs and GPUs due to restricted 14NM capacity at Global Foundries,who make all their CPUs and current GPUs. They only shifted to Global Foundries for Polaris and Vega.

Edit!!

Just checked the website,its one of the leading newspapers in Taiwan:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Times
 
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I might have got a 56 if it was priced at 300 quid (the most i pay for a GPU) im still rocking my 290 i got for £200 3 years ago thanks to the arse falling out of mining. AMD have made a right mess of this release yet again, luckily the CPU side are killing it at the moment. my big worry is how the APUs are going to turn out, thats going to be the money maker for the next couple of years i was hoping for a 6 core CPU with a 56 GPU.
 
Have people seen this:

http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20170808000038-260202



So AMD is going to use TSMC 7NM next year for its APUs and GPUs due to restricted 14NM capacity at Global Foundries,who make all their CPUs and current GPUs. They only shifted to Global Foundries for Polaris and Vega.

Edit!!

Just checked the website,its one of the leading newspapers in Taiwan:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Times

I just wonder if theres any truth to global foundries 14nm being "leakier" than tsmc's. I've seen that brought up on a couple of forums, probably wouldn't have made a large difference to Vega either way.
 
Looks like another retail has backed Gibbo up about AMD's launch practices:

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...-gibson-clears-up-rx-vega64-pricing-disaster/

"the price of just over 5,000 kroner was limited to a limited edition of 275 graphics cards, as the company – as one of AMD’s “selected” online stores – was allowed to sell at a favourable price at launch."

Interesting.

If true AMD are idiots, it would seem if this is true then the situation was that RRP in eu is 599usd. (not sure about america given cards there are still cheaper).

Which would mean AMD decided to covertly have a limited quantity of cheaper cards, usually companies on such a situation advertise special launch deals so what AMD did is just weird. It actually then makes the bundled games packages a true deal assuming those also didnt jump 100usd in RRP at the same time. This should mean if true if I check a retailer now in the EU, that the bundled games packages cost the same as the standalone card.
It also means that reviewers got lied to or AMD very close to launch decided to change the EU RRP and simply not inform the media, this wouldnt be the first time a company has lied to reviewers tho, it really should mean reviewers need to stop trusting companies so much as also proven by the 3.5 gig 970 fiasco.

In my view AMD still need to clarify all this, but I have a feeling they going to ignore it and make no comment.

Checked newegg just now and they are indeed 599usd. Which would backup gibbo's story of a 100usd bump in rrp. Of course uk retailers are still higher than the new rrp, but we expect that anyway in the uk as gouging is normal, but it would indicate now the gouging is not as large as previously thought.

Note gouging is not illegal, I accept it as part of capitalism, but of course found this whole set of events entertaining and also like to get to the bottom of things. :)

I think there is also a possibility that retailers collaborated with AMD to raise prices quickly after they realised demand was sky high and then working together prices got raised, this may have increased AMD's share of the gouging, in return for them removing blame from retailers by officially raising the RRP. I think we will never know the truth, as I still find it hard to believe this was prearranged with retailers, but more likely was a "quick adjustment" to match demand. The only thing that seems more evident now is that AMD are involved with the price adjustments.
 
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Sites all need to re review the card based on the prices people can buy them for.

The 8/10's etc I can see slipping to 5/10's
If reviewers want to send a message of "dont make us look like idiots" they would do that.

However at the same time they likely dont want to cutoff their supply of prelaunch free hardware so I dont expect any re reviews, but some will probably make a small update related to pricing.
 
If reviewers want to send a message of "dont make us look like idiots" they would do that.

However at the same time they likely dont want to cutoff their supply of prelaunch free hardware so I dont expect any re reviews, but some will probably make a small update related to pricing.

They should do a re-review, basically copy\paste their previous reviews but factor in the price where its relevant in the review.
 
I just wonder if theres any truth to global foundries 14nm being "leakier" than tsmc's. I've seen that brought up on a couple of forums, probably wouldn't have made a large difference to Vega either way.

Well reading into the article,it might be end of 2018/early 2019 too(maybe someone can translate the article better??),but it does mean AMD will be using 7NM APUs against 10NM Icelake. It might be as at higher clockspeeds power consumption seems to shoot up on both Ryzen and Vega. Nvidia does use Samsung 14nm for some cards,but these tend to be much smaller chips,and even tend to be the worst Pascal parts for performance/watt. I mean Nvidia no doubt has a more efficient design currently,but I do think at the higher clockspeeds AMD was targeting it might have been useful.

AMD only moved to GF for Polaris and Vega probably due to WSA,and luckily Ryzen probably means they can move back to TSMC.
 
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They should do a re-review, basically copy\paste their previous reviews but factor in the price where its relevant in the review.

most reviewers had the 56 v 1070 and 64 v 1080, making a new video with cropped prices isnt going to do anything, the new video needs to be 56 v 1080 and the 64 v 1080ti if thats what the prices are going to be


its would be like nvidia having a launch price for a 1080ti at rx580 prices and getting all the reviewers to show how good it is agenst it, then putting the price back to where its ment to be

ive waited all year for this card and it might have just ****** me off enough to the point of not bothering even if it does go back to the original msrp....
 
If reviewers want to send a message of "dont make us look like idiots" they would do that.

However at the same time they likely dont want to cutoff their supply of prelaunch free hardware so I dont expect any re reviews, but some will probably make a small update related to pricing.

Any reviewer lives or dies by their credibility. You don't kiss @rse or give skewed reviews so the free kit keeps rolling in. Those with a pair say it like it is.
 
There's less than a handful of apparently spiteful people on an agenda to post heavily in here about how much they hate Vega and or AMD.

As in you can click on a name and see a wall of past posts saying nothing but and nowhere else but here.

Seems that one won't be around for a while. Still leaves more than one more.

What, you think no one notices?
 
Any reviewer lives or dies by their credibility. You don't kiss @rse or give skewed reviews so the free kit keeps rolling in. Those with a pair say it like it is.

Any decent reviewer.
There are some that will go out of their way to make honest reviews, but there are definitely quite a few that don't too.
 
So then lets see if I got all this.
-Reviews have the 64 pegged at around the 1080 performance (I think saw one instance were it beat the 1080ti, in BF1.)
-56 Seems to battle well with the 1070
-Use the power saving mode because the others aren't worth it
-Quick increase in RRP just after launch (Wonder why they thought they would get away with it, unless they don't have the capacity to produce a lot of chips, going by the earlier news)
-A lot of features are still not working at release.

Did I miss anything?

Did any reviewer test vega with heavy tessellation?
Just before launch some sources were talking about it being really good in these scenarios.
Also I saw a benchmark where vega was beating Nvidia in rendering in Cycles. Saw at least they have that going for them.
 
That appears to be one of the biggest issues, They weren't really ready to release yet.

I think that for AMD releasing Vega and NCU put's them in a position where they have to go back to the beginning and start the driver optimisation again. GCN had aged well because they had years in which to develop it's software support which they did well, We might find that it'll take quite a while for them to get NCU upto that sort of standard.

The best thing we can all do is keep putting in regular issue reports when you find a bug or problem, I've done two so far and I'll keep at it until they're gone.


AMD Bug Form
http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D23A3DE979

But it's still GCN, NCU isn't a new architecture, they have rethought elements of the compute units and called them NCU instead of CU, but at it's core it's still the GCN architecture, the architecture as a whole works the same as it did before, same ACE, same scheduler, same CU/TMU structure etc... I got mistaken as well thinking that NCU was not GCN and that they had redone a new arch but that isn't the case. But yeah we will have to wait until they sort out their drivers and implement the improvements to be used when possible.
 
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