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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.
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Just because they are two businesses in the same industry doesn't mean that they'll have product ranges that fully overlap.
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Soldato
The answer to most of your post is no, it shouldn't be top card to top card, it should be compared in market segment to market segment. AMD simply doesn't have anything at the 1080ti level, so the ti wins automatically for people looking at that level of performance.
That's the most backwards thinking I'm going to quote today.
The review becomes total garbage the moment the price changes not to mention prices are very different for different brands and models of the same card.
A decent review which will last compares cards by performance.
You, the customer, can then know that X Y and Z cards are similar performance and can check in the shop what prices they are selling for today and using your own brain, buy the best value one on the day.
A review which lists by price? What model price? Will it be updated for months as prices change? What if prices are wildly different in your country vs the review?
A good review compares by performance and it will still be worth looking at years later.
A deliberately short life review is a different thing. What can you get for $200 today might be it's name. It will be worthless when prices change but for a short time it can be correct.
For reference you are by far not the only one saying this line but it is so wrong and I had to quote someone to make my point.
Pretty much every review in the history of review has mentioned price at the time of reviewing, and has a sentence or two about value for money.
Obviously prices change, but then so can performance (new drivers, etc). A review is a snapshot in time.
Obviously prices change, but then so can performance (new drivers, etc). A review is a snapshot in time.
Everything changes not just price.
But yes lets ignore price and just buy on performance right!.. So everyone should get a 1080ti or a titan
Performance also changes with drivers and so on, your view is to check prices on the day your buying my view is to check performance on the day i'm buying at my price point.
Difference being i dont call you opinion wrong just different.
I personally dont see the point of comparing say vega 64 to a 1080 when its priced about the same as a 1080Ti.
Everything changes not just price.
But yes lets ignore price and just buy on performance right!.. So everyone should get a 1080ti or a titan
Performance also changes with drivers and so on, your view is to check prices on the day your buying my view is to check performance on the day i'm buying at my price point.
Difference being i dont call you opinion wrong just different.
I personally dont see the point of comparing say vega 64 to a 1080 when its priced about the same as a 1080Ti.
I didn't say ignore price, you said that out of nowhere.
But lets look at comparing by price, except which price...
That's right. Just like I said there's different models and different brands.
AMD is planning to sponsor the £450 price again.
So what's it going to be, the £450 price, the £550 price, the £599 price or the £620 price we saw the other day all the same Vega 64 blower card, all the same performance. Then there's the AIO cards each brand at a different price and they have a different BIOS to the air cards so they perform a little better.
We haven't even got to the 3rd party cards yet which can be any price at all, mostly much more expensive.
So you can have a dozen different prices for the same performing card how do you choose what to pick.
On the other hand.
Comparing by performance you compare the card alongside other cards like this:
It's real easy to see how the performance works out, it's pretty much like a 1080 as people have known since way before launch.
You especially get to see how your current card matches up vs what you want.
We can go to the shop today or next year and this graph is likely to still be true. You find out what the cards cost at the moment and decide what your priorities are and what you can get for your money.
That's right, the price matters. But it doesn't make a good review focus because of all those reasons of prices being highly irregular that I've mentioned.
Bottom line is, looking a a proper performance review tells you the answer beforehand to a "compare by price" piece.
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Did AMD Deceive Consumers w/ Vega Pricing? - - WAN Show August 18, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evaBde4MKDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evaBde4MKDQ
Soldato
I didn't say ignore price, you said that out of nowhere.
But lets look at comparing by price, except which price...
That's right. Just like I said there's different models and different brands.
AMD is planning to sponsor the £450 price again.
So what's it going to be, the £450 price, the £550 price, the £599 price or the £620 price we saw the other day all the same Vega 64 blower card, all the same performance. Then there's the AIO cards each brand at a different price and they have a different BIOS to the air cards so they perform a little better.
We haven't even got to the 3rd party cards yet which can be any price at all, mostly much more expensive.
So you can have a dozen different prices for the same performing card how do you choose what to pick.
On the other hand.
Comparing by performance you compare the card alongside other cards like this:
It's real easy to see how the performance works out, it's pretty much like a 1080 as people have known since way before launch.
You especially get to see how your current card matches up vs what you want.
We can go to the shop today or next year and this graph is likely to still be true. You find out what the cards cost at the moment and decide what your priorities are and what you can get for your money.
That's right, the price matters. But it doesn't make a good review focus because of all those reasons of prices being highly irregular that I've mentioned.
Bottom line is, looking a a proper performance review tells you the answer beforehand to a "compare by price" piece.
That graph doesn't seem right to me anyway. The TXP is where the 1080Ti should be (if not more as the stock TXP cooler is not brilliant). Not a few percent faster than the 1080.
Knock yourself out, the point of the huge written articles is they show a lot of detail: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/108889-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-radeon-rx-vega-56/
Thats one game at one resolution, there are others of both.
Come to that there's about half a dozen of these big write ups in english to look at.
Cards are compared on price and performance.
And power consumption and noise and heat etc.
Whilst performance is a good yardstick it's only relative to price. You'd have to be mad (or a freesync diehard) to pay 1080ti prices for sub 1080 performance.
And power consumption and noise and heat etc.
Whilst performance is a good yardstick it's only relative to price. You'd have to be mad (or a freesync diehard) to pay 1080ti prices for sub 1080 performance.
Soldato
Comparing by performance you compare the card alongside other cards like this:
It's real easy to see how the performance works out, it's pretty much like a 1080 as people have known since way before launch.
First time over the last 20 years, I see people trying to ignore the price of a product and base it on it's performance. But well, each on their own.
However seeing your graph, which you take like a gospel, thought something is wrong, and my memory did serve me well at the end.
Thats Hexus, used the same CPU/mobo/ram just a month ago to do the review of the TitanXp.
Huh, what happened? Did 1080tis lost 10% performance in a month to make the Vega review look better?
Or that 38mhz between Aorus Xtreme and EVGA SC2 is the major factor for 10% fps drop?
Lets pick an AMD sponsored game.
From the Vega review.
From the TXp review same story.
Look at the FuryX performance. Having one myself, didn't saw a 4% drop on FPS in TWW the last 20 days.
The whole reason of my post, isn't another Vega or NV. But that reviews need to be researched over a period to make a decision.
Especially one which involves buying an overpriced card.
And again each on their own.
Caporegime
How can you ignore price when it comes to comparing a product?
First time over the last 20 years, I see people trying to ignore the price of a product and base it on it's performance. But well, each on their own.
However seeing your graph, which you take like a gospel, thought something is wrong, and my memory did serve me well at the end.
Thats Hexus, used the same CPU/mobo/ram just a month ago to do the review of the TitanXp.
Huh, what happened? Did 1080tis lost 10% performance in a month to make the Vega review look better?
Or that 38mhz between Aorus Xtreme and EVGA SC2 is the major factor for 10% fps drop?
Lets pick an AMD sponsored game.
From the Vega review.
From the TXp review same story.
Look at the FuryX performance. Having one myself, didn't saw a 4% drop on FPS in TWW the last 20 days.
The whole reason of my post, isn't another Vega or NV. But that reviews need to be researched over a period to make a decision.
Especially one which involves buying an overpriced card.
And again each on their own.
A Titan Xp is not going to score less than an ordinary Pascal Titan in anything.
Soldato
And the FuryX
I don't disagree. Wish i justify it's cost and buy one myself.
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No idea. I always look at price for performance. A very important factor for me, no matter what anyone says.
Seems the fury was aswell... Yet we are supposed to believe these reviews
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