Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

[TonyTurbo78]

It just about competes with a stock 1080FE.

Certainly not a decently overclocked AIB card.

That's all fine and dandy as long as it's priced appropriately. Which currently it isn't. As for benching well try the Heaven benchmark and you'll be among the 780ti's!

Of course benchmarks don't equate to gaming fps and aren't always the best yardstick as both our examples show!

It's a few frames down on a 1080 in a lot of games stock for stock. Overclocked it's a decent performer so it's competitive with all 1080 inluding AIB cards. Its not earth shattering amazing nor will it break any records, but its not all doom and gloom. Its a much better card then what most people are touting on this forum. Can't stand all this blinkered BS around here. I'm doing the benches and comparing, it's just as fast as overclocked 1080 cards, slower in some faster in others.

 

[RavenXXX2]

 

[heartburnron]

It's a few frames down on a 1080 in a lot of games stock for stock. Overclocked it's a decent performer so it's competitive with all 1080 inluding AIB cards. Its not earth shattering amazing nor will it break any records, but its not all doom and gloom. Its a much better card then what most people are touting on this forum. Can't stand all this blinkered BS around here. I'm doing the benches and comparing, it's just as fast as overclocked 1080 cards, slower in some faster in others.

^ This

 

[melmac]

It's a few frames down on a 1080 in a lot of games stock for stock. Overclocked it's a decent performer so it's competitive with all 1080 inluding AIB cards. Its not earth shaytering amazing nor will it break any records, but irs not all doom and gloom. Its a much better card then what most people are touting on this forum. Can't stand all this blinkered BS around here. I'm doing the benches and comparing, it's just as fast as overclocked 1080 cards, slower in some faster in others.

IF you think it's bad here you should try Hardforums. 6 or 7 of the Anti-AMD brigade are having a big old circle jerk.

 

[Mr_Clark1000]

I wasn't aiming my criticism at Jibbo, far from it. Ocuk were the only place selling them at £450 , I bought one couldn't be happier. no every other Etailer I checked were £550-600

Not true. On release I hummed and harred for a few minutes as the reviews came out and was about to order either a liquid or a basic one through OCUK. But the stock quantities shown were all over the place, On the front page it was showing 10+ but in the checkout phase it was showning out of stock.

I think I would have been OK within about 5 minutes but I left it too long on OCUK and lost faith in the online stock check / order system so didn't order here. It seems others were bitten by this bug when they did finally hit the button?

Anyways, after OCUK were fully sold out, I thought I might see if other retailers had anything (about 14:30 by now) and it turned out that the 450 price was valid as well for the base card at the place which is called the same word as what you might do to a pack of Corona and a lime at Morrison's on the self checkouts, where you then wave your arms vigorously to get attention of someone for the age verification only to get them crack a joke about being old enough, except the fact that I have grey hairs sprouting from various parts nowadays and look like an extra from World War Z due to being a father for about a year now...

 

[arby1]

It's a few frames down on a 1080 in a lot of games stock for stock. Overclocked it's a decent performer so it's competitive with all 1080 inluding AIB cards. Its not earth shattering amazing nor will it break any records, but its not all doom and gloom. Its a much better card then what most people are touting on this forum. Can't stand all this blinkered BS around here. I'm doing the benches and comparing, it's just as fast as overclocked 1080 cards, slower in some faster in others.

Yeah, performance wise it's fine, but unless you have a freesync monitor would you ever recommend it to anyone? Same performance but higher power usage and seemingly higher price? That's why I think this price debacle is so important, if they can keep it at the original price it'll do fine, but if the price really does increase by £100 then it's very hard to recommend it. Hopefully for all of us AMD can figure out a way to provide it at the original price.

 

[Asa]

Not true. On release I hummed and harred for a few minutes as the reviews came out and was about to order either a liquid or a basic one through OCUK. But the stock quantities shown were all over the place, On the front page it was showing 10+ but in the checkout phase it was showning out of stock.

I think I would have been OK within about 5 minutes but I left it too long on OCUK and lost faith in the online stock check / order system so didn't order here. It seems others were bitten by this bug when they did finally hit the button?

Anyways, after OCUK were fully sold out, I thought I might see if other retailers had anything (about 14:30 by now) and it turned out that the 450 price was valid as well for the base card at the place which is called the same word as what you might do to a pack of Corona and a lime at Morrison's on the self checkouts, where you then wave your arms vigorously to get attention of someone for the age verification only to get them crack a joke about being old enough, except the fact that I have grey hairs sprouting from various parts nowadays and look like an extra from World War Z due to being a father for about a year now...

I have no idea where you bought it, but I enjoyed reading about it.

Oh wait, I just got it!

 

[arby1]

Not true. On release I hummed and harred for a few minutes as the reviews came out and was about to order either a liquid or a basic one through OCUK. But the stock quantities shown were all over the place, On the front page it was showing 10+ but in the checkout phase it was showning out of stock.

I think I would have been OK within about 5 minutes but I left it too long on OCUK and lost faith in the online stock check / order system so didn't order here. It seems others were bitten by this bug when they did finally hit the button?

Anyways, after OCUK were fully sold out, I thought I might see if other retailers had anything (about 14:30 by now) and it turned out that the 450 price was valid as well for the base card at the place which is called the same word as what you might do to a pack of Corona and a lime at Morrison's on the self checkouts, where you then wave your arms vigorously to get attention of someone for the age verification only to get them crack a joke about being old enough, except the fact that I have grey hairs sprouting from various parts nowadays and look like an extra from World War Z due to being a father for about a year now...

Lack of sleep can also affect one's train of thought...

 

[old gamer]

Strix preview is out. Asus in a strong position as they didn't agree to profit reduction with reference cards and didn't bother realising them , hope they can offer a good price and others will follow suit

Asus offer a good price?

 

[Besty]

The price will be stupid as it's Asus, but like any company they will sell them at a price that sells and maximizes profits, must be a lot of Asus fans out there.

True but quality MSI, Gigabyte cards with also waiting in the wings with their own 45db custom coolers and no doubt Sapphire.

 

[TonyTurbo78]

Yeah, performance wise it's fine, but unless you have a freesync monitor would you ever recommend it to anyone? Same performance but higher power usage and seemingly higher price? That's why I think this price debacle is so important, if they can keep it at the original price it'll do fine, but if the price really does increase by £100 then it's very hard to recommend it. Hopefully for all of us AMD can figure out a way to provide it at the original price.

No I wouldn't is the simple and honest answer, I'm not a AMD/Nvidia fanboy, I see it as it is. At £449 (which is the price I bought it at), sharing the performance with a 1080 it doesn't need to be totally crapped on though. Honestly, If anyone asked me for a GPU recommendation at £500 where no adaptive sync monitor was in the equation, of course I'd say a 1080. But that doesn't make Vega a terrible card. To get that performance at at the moment for £500 you either buy Vega 64 or 1080, and that's going to be the way for 6 to 9 more months.

I've waited for 2, maybe 3 years for a decent upgrade to a 390, well crossfire but that donkey was disabled in 2016 lmao...I jumped FuryX upgrade as I didnt believe it was a big enough jump from a 290 for £600. I've now bought a £449 GPU to use on a Freesync screen that's netting me around 80-120fps in most games at 1440p with loads of eye candy bunged in there for good measure. That is by no means a bad card. ITs a cracking card at 1440p, and with a freesync monitor gaming is a real joy again.

 

[ubersonic]

Yeah, performance wise it's fine, but unless you have a freesync monitor would you ever recommend it to anyone?

It would depend on their usage TBH.

At the original £450 price it was a clear winner, trading blows on gaming performance to an equally priced Nvidia card (with the usual guarantee of better performance once drivers mature), trading blows on workstation performance with the 1080ti at £200 less, supporting the VHS of adaptive sync as opposed to the BetaMax. It had many plus points and the only situation in which it wasn't the card to recommend would be if the buyer already owned a Gsync monitor or wanted the absolute best gaming performance regardless of price.

However as the "unofficially official" RRP seems to be £550 it's a different kettle of fish, it's still a better buy than the 1080 if you use your PC for more than games or if you own a FreeSync monitor or if you own a non-*Sync monitor and plan to buy one anytime soon. But if you have no interest in a *Sync monitor and just use your PC for games it's a stupid buy over the 1080 as you're pretty much spending an extra £100 for stuff you won't use.

 

[bigSadFace]

I quietly thank myself for not getting locked into Freesync, thats the only reason anyone would buy a 64.

I had a freesync display waiting over a year for Vega. So today I took receipt of the right hand side of the photo. Now need to look to sell my RX480 and Freesync display.

 

[Davanius]

I had a freesync display waiting over a year for Vega. So today I took receipt of the right hand side of the photo. Now need to look to sell my RX480 and Freesync display.

Sold my msi rx 480 within 15 minutes yesterday for the price I bought it for in January.

 

[chrcoluk]

As expected. At least they mentioned it in the review about pricing being way off the mark. The price for a lot of AiB cards are going to push this card well north of £600 if the reference are already so close to it, meaning most will be encroaching on 1080Ti prices for overclocked 1080 performance. Not good at all

GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 finally have some competition, but the release of reference Radeon cards only tells us so much, especially as they struggle with containing noise generated by the thirsty GPUs. What's really needed is add-in board partners to show what the Vega is capable of.

Failure of a review, they still comparing to the wrong nvidia cards.

 

[Hotwired]

end of post.

Not sure why you think I ever wanted your validation.

I no longer have to read people talking smack about pricing with a really rubbish understanding of what was going on. Even blaming OCUK. HAH.

It only took a whole night of posting and cramming easily found but widely ignored sources of information into high visibility over and over.

Such claims of AMD bias for doing that, but I did it for my own satisfaction that people can now talk smack with a better understanding of events and now it will be far less irritating to read.

Carry on.

 

[chrcoluk]

Hotwired whatever you feel its your right to feel it.

It shouldnt be up to Gibbo to tell people what was going on with the RRP, that should have come from AMD themselves. I didnt initially believe Gibbo as that to me is just a weird way of selling a product. Having a promotional launch price without announcing the promotion.

They gave wrong information to reviewers, and their latest statement is cryptic, they simply are relying on confusion to control the situation. As the reviewers are refusing to do anything without AMD's say so, it seems if AMD says jump they jump.

You seem to think its mine and other's fault for not understanding, its not, its AMD's fault.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...rx-vega64-pricing-answers-absolutely-nothing/

 

[vantastic]

Sold my Fury X today and bought a 1070. Not paying those prices for a ref blower.

 

[melmac]

Hotwired whatever you feel its your right to feel it.

It shouldnt be up to Gibbo to tell people what was going on with the RRP, that should have come from AMD themselves. I didnt initially believe Gibbo as that to me is just a weird way of selling a product. Having a promotional launch price without announcing the promotion.

They gave wrong information to reviewers, and their latest statement is cryptic, they simply are relying on confusion to control the situation. As the reviewers are refusing to do anything without AMD's say so, it seems if AMD says jump they jump.

You seem to think its mine and other's fault for not understanding, its not, its AMD's fault.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...rx-vega64-pricing-answers-absolutely-nothing/

Didn't Kyle over on HardForum already put you in your place?

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

It's a few frames down on a 1080 in a lot of games stock for stock. Overclocked it's a decent performer so it's competitive with all 1080 inluding AIB cards. Its not earth shattering amazing nor will it break any records, but its not all doom and gloom. Its a much better card then what most people are touting on this forum. Can't stand all this blinkered BS around here. I'm doing the benches and comparing, it's just as fast as overclocked 1080 cards, slower in some faster in others.

Yeah, that's what we were all hoping for when the hype train started, that AMD would be releasing a not terrible card. How much would you pay for a not terrible card? Cuz AMD are charging about £700! £700 gets you a not terrible card, so how much do AMD want for a good card? And people complain about Nvidia prices!

I think back to when AMD/ATI released the 5870 and Nvidia released nothing. Then eventually Nvidia released the GTX 480. It ran hot, it was not power efficient and it was expensive. But it had the performance edge.Still I'm sure a lot of AMD/ATI owners like to focus on the negative points of the GTX 480. Now AMD release the Vega 64 about 16 months after Nvidia released the 1080. It runs hots, it's not power efficient and it's expensive. And it does NOT have the performance edge. Now AMD/ATI owners are saying how Vega 64 is not a terrible card and defending it.
In the extra time it took AMD to make this over what it took Nvidia to make the 1080 you could (with a willing member of the opposite sex) create a human life and use up your maternity leave and there would still be time left over! 12 months ago this performance would be good, Nvidia didn't have the 1080Ti then. But in 16 months AMD are still only able to challenge Nvidia's 3rd tier card?

People happily reporting that it's an improvement over their old card. If you old card was a previous gen, surely this is the very minimum you'd expect? When has their been a GPU release when the new gen top card has worse performance than the previous generation? (except the RX480)

Also, why is it being compared to the 1080? It's AMD's top card, shouldn't it be getting compared to Nvidia's top card? The AIO version is about 1080Ti price too. What was the last time we compared a top end card from one manufacturer to whichever card from the other manufacturer it performs closest to? It's always been top vs. top hasn't it?
When Nvidia released the 980 it was compared to the 780Ti and called disappointing. When the 1080 was released it was compared to the 980Ti. Nvidia cards were being compared to the previous gen's next card up and judged disappointing. But with AMD the top card is being compared against the 3rd tier card and it's considered reasonable when it matches it's performance!? Why wasn't the GTX 980 being compared to the 280X to decide if it was any good? (I don't think the 300 series was out at the time was it?)
Even the big review sites are comparing to the 1080. It feels like there's a lot of AMD bias going around.
And even with the AMD bias the best people seem to be saying is, it's not terrible...