Caporegime
Some of them do yes, but there are some who i trust are genuine guys, not many.
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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.
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Some of them do yes, but there are some who i trust are genuine guys, not many.
Caporegime
Ryzen doesn't have better IPC than Skylake tho does it. Nobody else has made that claim.
Remember they achieved something like +45% better IPC than Bulldozer, which brought it up to Haswell levels? Or something like it.
Your 30 game average doesn't prove anything about IPC. You'd need specific single-threaded tests to prove IPC claims. The graphs do speak for themselves, but they aren't saying anything about IPC at all.
has ended civil between me and kyle 
I thanked him for taking the time to reply to me, which no one else has done.
He is adamant he is right, and has suggested if we wait 2 weeks something will happen to prove he is right.
A video has popped up on linus tech tips, jay2cents was on there as well, they had a rant against AMD and said they didnt like been made fools of in terms of the value aspect of their reviews, but nothing much more of substance said. In the same video they also said they now consider rx vega 64 of no value to gamers but only if you want to use the compute power (miners).
I thanked him for taking the time to reply to me, which no one else has done.He is adamant he is right, and has suggested if we wait 2 weeks something will happen to prove he is right.
A video has popped up on linus tech tips, jay2cents was on there as well, they had a rant against AMD and said they didnt like been made fools of in terms of the value aspect of their reviews, but nothing much more of substance said. In the same video they also said they now consider rx vega 64 of no value to gamers but only if you want to use the compute power (miners).
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Caporegime
52% over Excavator, Excavator has higher IPC than Piledriver, Piledriver 'all be it slight' has better IPC than Bulldozer, who knows what the IPC is over Bulldozer but my old FX-9590 score 110 Points @ 4.7Ghz ST Cinebench, Ryzen scores 160 at 4Ghz, so what's that? about 65%?
And, to address your other point, if you have one 6 core CPU running at 4Ghz matching another 6 core CPU running at 4.7Ghz then the 4Ghz CPU is doing more work per clock cycle, the definition of IPC, Instructions Per Clock.
My i5 4690K gets about 180 at 4.6Ghz. that's less IPC than Ryzen, a good chunk less.
Its very disingenuous of AMD. Is this type of price reductions not illegal here in Europe. They said RRP of $499 and $599 but really it was a VERY LIMITED stock discount to their best distributors/shops and then increase or the real RRP is the price to $599 - $699. Very sneaky and dishonest, but did they expect people not to notice?
Caporegime
160 to 180 is 12.5% difference in score, your i5 is running a 15% higher clock speed.
That's 2.5% better IPC for Ryzen.
Obviously, that's just rough, and only using the figures you're giving.
Ryzen is around Haswell IPC, possibly higher. But Haswell has better for for core given the clocks.
That's 2.5% better IPC for Ryzen.
Obviously, that's just rough, and only using the figures you're giving.
Ryzen is around Haswell IPC, possibly higher. But Haswell has better for for core given the clocks.
Caporegime
There is no doubt these GPU's are over priced and just not upto snuff, too little too late and they do use too much power for gaming.
All that ^^^^ and yes it was dishonest of AMD not to be completely upfront about the real cost of these GPU's, but some people are calling them lairs without explaining how they got to that conclusion, and as has been said here some are calling Gibbo out what they claim was dishonest, Gibbo said right from the start these prices were introductory and would go up, he did say that, so AMD must have told him this....
Soldato
Hexus isn't that much more trustworthy than wccftech.
Just seems odd you decided to post the worst benchmark they had to get your point across.
Caporegime
Hexus isn't that much more trustworthy than wccftech.
Just seems odd you decided to post the worst benchmark they had to get your point across.
Thats a very old picture of Jim Carrey. Why are Hexus not trustworthy?
Caporegime
watching that what i did find really odd about Vega 64 on the left is that the GPU is jumping around between 1430Mhz and 1670Mhz and yet it makes 0 difference to the performance.
Associate
When you see jumps like that but nothing really visually different is when gameworks is kicking off.
That's because Intel had just stopped innovating lately whilst NVIDIA isn't standing still which makes it difficult for AMD to catch NVIDIA. The 1080ti is just a stupidly fast card.NVIDIA knocked it out of the park with that card.
Remember how AMD die-hards were insisting the two cards were going to be incomparable come release?
Nevertheless, as Luke said on the WAN show, these new prices might not even matter because 'AMD has a very aggressive, very dedicated fanbase'. There's a large section of AMD fans who are incredibly fanatical and love to think AMD = good while everyone else = evil. The reality is products speak for themselves and the market as a whole paints a true picture of where rational consumers stand. AMD die-hards love to moan about how AMD are never given a fair shake and suffer because of poor marketing etc. The truth is they'll gain market share back with Ryzen. Why? Because they're good CPUs. That's the bottom line. Marketing and brand power absolutely matter but the first and most important thing is the product itself.
Caporegime
They didn't need to, in CPU's AMD have been no where since the Phenom II days, that's a long time.
nVidia upto a point have had to deal with an AMD that was competitive, at least up-until Maxwell, now tho.....
Caporegime
He's wrong about that and IMO an idiot to say it, if AMD's fan base was all that AMD wouldn't be in the penniless position they are now in.
Quite the opposite is true. AMD's fan base is insignificant. Inconsequential.
Caporegime
The AMD fanbase is crazy aggressively pro AMD though so he isn't exactly wrong
AMD did a statement saying the RRP is 499$, and that they cannot control the price hike due to shortage.
Associate
Part of the amd fanbase is, not all, but so are part of the nvidia, intel, apple, microsoft and sony fanbase
Caporegime
I don't disagree, but I think AMD has a higher percentage of crazies