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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.
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Slower than what you say
Maybe put the Nvidia cards in SLI?
On an unrelated note did you know Nvidia's P6000 costs 5 grand?
If you can use the compute power of Vega then you get such a massive bang for your buck.
So there's a reason for you.
I play games, not cryptography or mining for that matter, but hey each to there own
There are other factors at play if you compare 6 cores/threads vs 6 cores/threads.
The way to measure IPC is to use a single threaded benchmark. All the reviews out there show it's ~Haswell IPC. No point arguing unless you've done some testing yourself and your results differ. Ryzen IPC is ~Haswell, according to everyone.
It's not better than Skylake.
You asked for a reason why people were buying Vega, He gave you one possible reason.
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lol
He's being specific about those who are claiming they're overclocking successfully to 1.8-2.0GHz - they are not validating their overclocks.
Absolutely not. There are some absolutely awful nVidia shills out there that do it for free. They are in complete denial about nVidia. They seem to absolutely love nVidia for some inexplicable reason.
What people tend to call "AMD fanboys" are people who dislike nVidia because of the stuff nVidia does and their opinions are unrelated to any sort of like or love for AMD.
I've been there, I massively begrudge buying nVidia because of their awful business practices and behaviour. AMD does things as well, but most of what they do is idiotic stuff that mostly hurts themselves. The stuff nVidia does hurts everyone.
But despite that, AMD's inability to compete at the high end means that my options for high performance graphics cards are severely limited.
Last year I bought a 980ti because the Fury X wasn't doing it for me, there was no chance I was buying a GPU then that only had 4GB of VRAM.
I was really hoping the Vega cards would be a huge step up, but they aren't and this bizarre pricing behaviour makes me want to steer clear of them for the moment until they get their **** together. So it looks like it's 1080ti for me now, which is disappointing as I begrudge buying nVidia.
This is the exact same way I feel. I have no love for AMD but a lot of disdain for Nvidia because of their business practices. So I prefer AMD and thankfully my Fury X with Freesync has served me fairly well even at 4K but I am now having to compromise graphical settings too much in recent games stay within Freesync ranges. I got a RX 64 at the "normal" price and it is actually a very good GPU that has improved in performance very noticeably while not having to give up on Freesync.
RX 64 is not what I would call epic in any way, but neither is it a total disaster many here make it out to be. Just need the prices to become realistic.
You know things are bad when even someone who begrudges to buy from your competition still end up buying from them. Really hope AMD return to form with Navi. But this time I will not be holding my breath.
Will buy Volta when it comes out, can always sell that and buy Navi if it turns out to be a hit.
Soldato
Low stock on launch is nothing new. Xbox 360 was one I remember made worse by coming out too close to xmas . Just possibly maybe people are reading too much into it, never attribute to malice that which is explained by incompetence. AMD will want a bulk of sales to occur, sell vega now you get more navi sales later or secondary sales of related products.
High prices can ironically be a negative in excluding large sections of a userbase, if they were the fastest card then sure charge what you like but I think they already know they have to hit a certain balance here or just lose that customers business
That'd be a big positive if AMD are able to do generally where Nvida requires specific diversion in the common code
Yep easily. He probably doesnt want to have to redo a whole video. A smart man would see the opportunity/excuse to make a followup.
Second hand prices are relevant to Vega anyhow, the 1080ti should be included. I see the cheapest 1080 for Ocuk comes with a water block ? I want to see that 1080 on water vs the Vega on water, who wins who benefits most from the water, is water even justified vs heatpipes
It just shows Vega is a competitive product, overall its not going to be left unsold it seems. Those sales in side markets have some affect to Rx Vega
Open source is an important difference in stance, AMD says a lot of things that appeal in theory but its making it happen that would be good to see. Primitive discard is the kind of feature I wanted to see work for over a decade just like I want to see open world terrain deformation but I see little direction towards that
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/3zj1up/primitive_discard_accelerators/
Some ideas are too big to go through in one pass, an open source progressive implementation seems more likely to achieve faster progress
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Well primitive discard is something that amd have been working on for years, they started to get really peeved with gameworks and then the whole witcher 3 hairworks happened and then bethesda breaking gameworks and all of a sudden all amd cards shot up in fps and all nvidia cards took a huge hit was a joke. I dont think many realise just how much of a big deal primitive discard is for amd.
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Indeed - TechTubers have relied on evolving situations as opportunities/excuses to make a constant stream of videos so they could keep ad revenue coming in. With the changes to ad revenue though I'm not sure if this still holds true.
Funny enough I feel the same way about nvidia.
Hate gameworks.
Hate gsync - especially after they enabled it on laptops without a gsync chip
Hate the price inflation on pascal
However I am not going to use that hatred to make me do stupid buying decisions, sadly AMD are simply the weaker competitor on performance per dollar, heat, and performance per watt. I would be handing out charity to them if I purchased one of their cards.
I even tried to get an AMD card for my FreeBSD system, but that failed as they had nothing competing at that low price point as well, I had a choice between 3 nvidia cards but no AMD cards for that system.
Hate gameworks.
Hate gsync - especially after they enabled it on laptops without a gsync chip
Hate the price inflation on pascal
However I am not going to use that hatred to make me do stupid buying decisions, sadly AMD are simply the weaker competitor on performance per dollar, heat, and performance per watt. I would be handing out charity to them if I purchased one of their cards.
I even tried to get an AMD card for my FreeBSD system, but that failed as they had nothing competing at that low price point as well, I had a choice between 3 nvidia cards but no AMD cards for that system.
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Well all i can say for people in the same position dont buy anything yet, if your gpu is good enough for what we have out, and lets be honest no game right now is pushing that edge and all we are doing is going way beyond frame caps for the jollys. People like to call amd bedding in as finewine for a reason, release drivers are always junk. Add into that this release cycle amd have been putting training wheels on there stuff, with ryzen it was a temp offset and with vega because a lot of the features arnt active yet they are putting bios locks on there cards and hamstringing the gpus to only ever push 300 watts max out of the vrm to the gpu when the gpu and the vrms can handle so much more.
So ye just sit on your hands and enjoy the show.
Laptop displays are a different design to PC monitors eDP and all that and many designs could naturally do VRR without requiring adaptive sync or g-sync support.
Completely agree - there is some justification for a small price increase with Pascal due to the higher costs with 16FF versus 28nm but that doesn't excuse them both effectively pulling GPUs down a tier and in many cases much higher cost.
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Ye i was in an odd boat this upgrade cycle, i was getting vega no matter what. It was my only upgrade path, i got the cheap one with an ek waterblock so ill just have to take the early adopter headaches. But im sat here with a evga980 hybrid, this card has been rma'd twice. I have to downclock it to 900 mhz or it just turns the display outs off, so ye all fun having black screens and hearing my characters dying horribly. And i hate gameworks with a passion, how my 780's somehow got weaker then a 960, the way my 980 is going to become a paperweight as i refuse to even sell this on its that bad.
Soldato
Really looking forward to see how Vega does with FarCry 5 and Wolfenstein 2 Two games built with GPUOpen and using Vega features.
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Soldato
I wonder how the whole process of bringing a card to market works. You'd think Amd would develop their card and test it on rigs against Nvidia parts. Then if you get to a point when you need to release it you look at your performance figures and price accordingly.
OK we can't get much beyond Nvidias year old card so we need to price it below that to please our customers.
Oh.. Nah we will just price it above their card and see what we can milk from our loyal fanboys lol.
OK we can't get much beyond Nvidias year old card so we need to price it below that to please our customers.
Oh.. Nah we will just price it above their card and see what we can milk from our loyal fanboys lol.
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no its more like .. lets try and make a great card oh **** it dint work ... and we have to sell it for !!!! to break even because the parts cost so dam much
Yeah. Until now I have actually never thought of AMD as a company trying to milk their fans.
I don't even really think they are milking for profits, they just backed themselves up into a corner with how poor Vega turned out. It seems like it just costs too much to make, so very little room for profit in order to recoup money spent developing it. In the end they need to over charge loyal fans for their **** up.