Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

[Marine-RX179]

Its very disingenuous of AMD. Is this type of price reductions not illegal here in Europe. They said RRP of $499 and $599 but really it was a VERY LIMITED stock discount to their best distributors/shops and then increase or the real RRP is the price to $599 - $699. Very sneaky and dishonest, but did they expect people not to notice?

I dunno...similar thing happened when Nvidia launched the 980Ti, with their quoted $599 price nowhere to be found and they then branded their "reference" card with the "Titan" cooler the "Founder Edition" and was charging $699 for it (around £650 at the time); and during that time, partner manufacturers that were selling 980Ti with custom cooler (that's actually better at cooling than the Founder card) were going at around £550~£630. The only card that came remotely close to to the so-called $599 rrp was the infamous "Joker card" that had a plastic shroud blower type cooling that came in a few weeks later at around £529.

...and this was pre-brexit before the Pounds fell through the floor.

 

[AMDPower]

[

AMD did a statement saying the RRP is 499$, and that they cannot control the price hike due to shortage.

that contradicts what some retailers and AIO partners are saying. AMD keep digging a deeper whole with their disingenuous behaviours and this is from a LONG time AMD fan.

I would pay £499 for 64 but I am not paying £580. For £50 more I can get a TI which is up to 40% faster, as much I like AMD, just cant do STUPID.

 

[Shin1234]

I don't disagree, but I think AMD has a higher percentage of crazies

Thats just a perspective based upon where you stand, as an amd fan i dont think they are a religion but i see other amd fans who really do, and from my point of view intel has more zealets in there ranks and the go green crowd has tons, but you can take amd, intel and nvidia and we all look tame compared to the console wars.

 

[Martini1991]

Lmfao the consoles wars are another level
I'm an AMD owner both GPU and CPU and it's been years since I've been able to go RED for both.

 

[Shin1234]

Ye, this will be the first time since i owned a 1090t rig that i will be full red. And when i look at vega i dont look at hidden potential from drivers. Im looking at whats not turned on yet, how it performs right now and where the game market is going, mainly in my point where star citizen is aiming tech wise.

 

[silversurfer]

The AMD fanbase is crazy aggressively pro AMD though so he isn't exactly wrong

The truth is they'll gain market share back with Ryzen. Why? Because they're good CPUs. That's the bottom line.

Isnt Intel still better on single core performance and so for quite a few games, Intel is still best. But for the money.. AMD is the obvious choice. Thats not the product exactly but the company strategy, I presume they have some strategy for Vega that'll work out at some point. Still seems to me, they are so late and behind even their own schedule nevermind the competitions and thats why AMD look bad on this but its not especially the product

watching that what i did find really odd about Vega 64 on the left is that the GPU is jumping around between 1430Mhz and 1670Mhz and yet it makes 0 difference to the performance.

The Vega is memory bandwidth limited in some cases. The v56 especially suffers from being capped at 1ghz I think, Nexus said.

Also theres weird things going on. Because Vega is trying to game the system, drop out rendering that will never be seen it has some side effects perhaps. Not at stock maybe or to a normal consumer, as you said the performance carries on.
I like they are doing intelligent things, Im sure it's been talked about twenty years or so but most of the previous gains were brute force and lower nm etc. Be great if Vega is just different in a surprisingly good way a game dev could use, still not sure if or how much that might occur

 

[pagepack]

All that ^^^^ and yes it was dishonest of AMD not to be completely upfront about the real cost of these GPU's, but some people are calling them lairs without explaining how they got to that conclusion, and as has been said here some are calling Gibbo out what they claim was dishonest, Gibbo said right from the start these prices were introductory and would go up, he did say that, so AMD must have told him this....

Dishonest or liars, semantics. AMD have been caught out pulling a fast one on the public and reviewers. We shouldn't have to rely on a retailer to fess up on a supplier. The whole episode is embarrassing.

 

[Calin Banc]

They don't have a choice, is what i'm saying, have you seen AMD's finances? the have to make choices about where they spend what little money they have for R&D, Gaming GPU's are the least profitable 'for them', Workstation GPU's and CPU is where they are profitable.

So thats what these cards were actually designed for, with some game capable drivers but when you look at the raw performance of them they are extremely powerful cards, its not translating into gaming performance, no money to develop that when they have to make decisions and prioritise where they are profitable.

To be honest they should have won some generations hands down i.e. 7xxx vs 6xx series. 7xxx launched first, and quickly dropped lower than 670/680 price after they launched (When I bought my 7950 at £220, the 670 was £300 with the 7970 and the 680 was £400+), outperformed them and had 50% more vram yet sold less due to nvidias mindshare or people spouting amd has bad drivers etc.

I also remember the 290/x being significantly cheaper than the 780/ti, yet sold poorly in comparison. (again due to nvidia mindshare and people saying the 290x would burn your house down when AIB cards were just as cool as the competition)

It was smart for AMD to go for the cpu market, they can make hands down a better GPU than nvidia but its gonna sell bad anyway so why bother. If we get one GPU manufacturer left it'll only be the consumers fault.

TF wise AMD was faster than the competition, but they didn't have a program like nVIDIA's with software developed to make good use of that. I remember the Froblins demo for the "1st TF card" (4800) which showed an impressive number of AIs while also rendering the 3D scene. They helped, if I'm not mistaken, with Bullet as well, but that never got traction. Imagine these 2 as standard features in lots of games, not only would have moved gaming forward (big number of AIs + advanced physics and now low level APIs) but would have also push AMD cards in front. Just showing what your hardware could do or make stuff open and nothing more doesn't really push things forward.

In regards to 7xxx series, they were a lot more expensive than the previous 6xxx (6970 vs, 7970) and only got better in perf/$ after nVIDIA launched their 6xx series and put pressure on AMD. Later drivers managed to squeeze out the proper performance out of them. If all this would have been from the start (price and performance - more so with 1GHz version), perhaps it would have been better.

290/X suffered from AMD's usual mistakes - poor cooler and drivers weren't either the best version at launch (plus prices never did went to 6950/70 levels). AMD's biggest problem is the lack of consistency. If they would have this, they would slowly grow and overcome the competition's mind share.

 

[TNA]

Dishonest or liars, semantics. AMD have been caught out pulling a fast one on the public and reviewers. We shouldn't have to rely on a retailer to fess up on a supplier. The whole episode is embarrassing.

Looking at the bright side, one no longer has to feel any guilt when handing money over to Nvidia

 

[tyler_jrb]

Thats a very old picture of Jim Carrey. Why are Hexus not trustworthy?

That benchmark pretty much shows it.

It has been a similar story with a lot of their reviews. I remember the 1080 and 980Ti reviews being way off the mark of what other reviewers were showing and what I was experiencing personally.

 

[Shin1234]

The Vega is memory bandwidth limited in some cases. The v56 especially suffers from being capped at 1ghz I think, Nexus said.

Also theres weird things going on. Because Vega is trying to game the system, drop out rendering that will never be seen it has some side effects perhaps. Not at stock maybe or to a normal consumer, as you said the performance carries on.
I like they are doing intelligent things, Im sure it's been talked about twenty years or so but most of the previous gains were brute force and lower nm etc. Be great if Vega is just different in a surprisingly good way a game dev could use, still not sure if or how much that might occur

Its not that vega is gaming the system, the primitive discarder isnt fully working yet and nor is hbcc, primitive shaders is half working which you can see in the timespy benchmark when you push vega to 2ghz and it just stops rendering some stuff due to timings. What going on is when gameworks is pumping out they sometimes where they use the triangles for volumetric scale do da ie tesselation and that junk they just make it so some objects have insane amounts of those triangles, or render water underground. Nvidia cards know to ignore this via the chips and coding upon them.

Amd cards do not, this is what primitive discarding is built for so they can immitate the effect that nvidia cards have on games that run gameworks. Adordedtv did a huge video on this

\edit, found a video for what im talking about from the horses mouth

 

[harney]

Looking at the bright side, one no longer has to feel any guilt when handing money over to Nvidia

 

[humbug]

I don't disagree, but I think AMD has a higher percentage of crazies

Says you who refuses to buy nVidia.

Joking aside i don't think AMD has more or less crazies than the other two.

 

[old gamer]

Looking at the bright side, one no longer has to feel any guilt when handing money over to Nvidia

Yep now nvidia are the bang for buck kings

 

[nomadd]

..one no longer has to feel any guilt when handing money over to Nvidia

The guilt may be gone, but the pain is still there in the prices with both camps.

 

[TNA]

The guilt may be gone, but the pain is still there in the prices with both camps.

Agreed

 

[vapor matt]

what I don't get with vega is the fact people are queuing up to buy a card that is slower than a 1080ti, just about keeps with a 1080FE it uses more power, runs hotter and some are even upgrading the PSU to run them? buy yourself a titan XP or 1080ti hoff with vega and PSU money and blow it away in performance.

it just doesn't make sense unless your in bed with the red team plus you cant even buy one unless you want to pay premium for it lol and yea Nvidia are best bang for buck kings now!

 

[Hotwired]

what I don't get with vega is the fact people are queuing up to buy a card that is slower than a 1080ti, just about keeps with a 1080FE it uses more power, runs hotter and some are even upgrading the PSU to run them? buy yourself a titan XP or 1080ti hoff with vega and PSU money and blow it away in performance.

it just doesn't make sense unless your in bed with the red team plus you cant even buy one unless you want to pay premium for it lol and yea Nvidia are best bang for buck kings now!

Slower than what you say



Maybe put the Nvidia cards in SLI?



On an unrelated note did you know Nvidia's P6000 costs 5 grand?



If you can use the compute power of Vega then you get such a massive bang for your buck.

So there's a reason for you.

 

[chrcoluk]

They didn't need to, in CPU's AMD have been no where since the Phenom II days, that's a long time.

nVidia upto a point have had to deal with an AMD that was competitive, at least up-until Maxwell, now tho.....

nvidia's biggest issue has been getting their own customers to upgrade, they were competing with themselves

I think thats still the case now with these current rx vega prices.

A new £550 rx vega 64 popped up in last day or so, which puts the vega 64 closer to 1080's again than 1080ti's but its still favourable to nvidia on performance per dollar.

OC3D guy replied to my comment regarding pricing, I then gave him list of prices to correct him, I now find both mine and his posts vanished, can youtube channels delete comments? if so thats lame. I got respect for kyle explaining himself, OC3D guy seems instead to just want to cover his ears. This was in response to me originally asking if he will include a 1080ti results on his asus strix vega 64 review, I guess this means a no.

The post he deleted I posted the current cheapest prices of gtx 1080, gtx 1080ti and rx vega 64
I also asked in same post if he could at least add the 1080ti to results page alongside the 1080 and if he has been asked by AMD to spefically not include the 1080ti.

Result post vanished. Alongside a post he made claiming the rx vega 64 is not close to 1080ti price.

 

[chrcoluk]

AMD did a statement saying the RRP is 499$, and that they cannot control the price hike due to shortage.

got a link bud? It be interesting if they made such a clear statement as that.