US: The Walking Dead Season 3 (contains spoilers)

As a big fan of the comics, not entirely sold on the ending of S3. It was better than S2 which was dragfest, but the in the last 5 episodes there were only a couple of half decent ones and the rest were filler.

Given how far the comics are from the TV show in terms of story and characters, they could up the pace a little. The ending to 3 was quite underwhelming.

I'll keep watching but they need to take more from the comics. They did that between S2 and S3 so hopefully S4 moves in the right direction.
 
Black Dynamite said:
Only have a few comments really, I thought it was a good way to show how insane the Governor is by having him murder his group of "soldiers"but I wish he'd have been killed off as this story arc was already dragged out.

Carl is going to turn into Shane if he carries on.

And finally ...


ANDREA IS DEAD!!! I can't explain how relieved I am at this :D
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What the hell was that?

So a whole season, where basically nothing happens with little to no ending. The governor is a very good character, so they decide to drag it out for another season!

It sure pulled in good ratings, but I bet most of those people won't bother with season 4.
 
Duff-Man said:
Whaaaat?! I hope that's sarcastic mockery of some kind? :p

[Note - if you haven't seen episode 16 yet DO NOT read on!]

That episode was just fantastic. I had a strong feeling that the Governor would survive - too iconic a character to let slip away in a single season arc.

I love that one of the biggest surprises was the absence of a wholesale slaughter among the main cast. It says something about the show when we've come to expect a periodic mass-culling of characters that have been on screen for years.

I thought Andrea's exit worked just beautifully, and the scene with Michonne was quite touching. We've never seen her show anything close to that level of emotion, and it cut quite deeply as a result. As did Carl "schooling" his Dad on what must be done to survive - you could just tell that Rick could see Shane reflected in his son. He will never fully escape from him...

As for the Governor's "little tantrum"... well, I think we all knew that he had it in him. He would rather lose his power base than lose his control over them. It was still quite shocking though!

Anyway, I thought it was a fantastic end to the best season yet of Walking Dead. Roll on series 4 in October!
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I have to agree with this. i liked it, a lot. It was nothing like what anyone expected, and it (imo) was worked out very well.
mehuk said:
Good I thought - needed to be like that, the Governer showing his true side and the 'originals' being what they were/are... human ie taking everyone left in.

That's how I like to think the world would be like, renegades like the Governer with a couple of mercenaries doing as they wish... then decent groups etc

Andrea had to go... Milton as well. It was just too obvious if they went Gov v Rick showdown to finish.... I don't think we will see the Gov for a while in Season 4, more of a breakup of the bigger group / maybe they try to take woodbury for themselves?

I can also see the series move towards a resolution... ie Military/Government restoring control of some sort and a hope for a end to it all.

That's me guessing, I know the comics last forever... but I cant see a TV show like this going on for too long (as much as Id love it too).
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I agree with this. How long can they keep on going for?

I think it was a lot worse because it was a finale, and you expect a lot more from a finale - not less!!!

And it sure was crazy - but not as crazy as Rick and the gang bringing the rest of them back to the prison?

There were too many instances in the episode where I found myself thinking "wtf". For example, Andrea has killed 3000 walkers with her bare hands (maybe an exaggeration) but yet can't safely dispose of Milton with a pair of pliers, also why did it take her 40 minutes to pick them up from the floor? It's a simple 5 second manoeuvre. And the Woodburry gang roll into the prison with about 30/40 people, all armed to the teeth with an M32 and everything, yet run for their lives when 2 people fire back and a couple of sirens go off. Seriously?

I'm very disappointed with that "finale", and to top if off I've to wait over 6 months for the next episode

PS. Someone needs to slap Carl!!
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There were many WTF moments, but personally, I feel that they are part of a film/series. Its a FICTIONAL story, so its obviously not going to be 100% coorect. Even I feel Andrea should have managed to kill the doctor easily, but how would they get rid of her?

What to expect in S4?

Well, I think that if they pick it off exactly from where S3 ended, then the Winter is about to start (they skipped this between S2 and S3 if I remember correctly). Maybe the story might take an unexpected turn because of the snow/cold etc.

Personally, i feel the governor will be encountered much later in the series. Even maybe in a later series (Series 5) like like we saw the return of the black guy with the walkie talkie.

Very happy with how the ending was.
 
To put people out of their misery concerning more of the same in season 4...

IGN: Speaking of Season 4, we didn’t really get any closure with the Governor in the finale. Is it safe to assume that he’ll have a big role to play next season?

Kirkman: Yeah, he’s still very much in the mix. That’s certainly not the last that we’ll see of him. When we see him again and where we see him again, that’s the big question. It’s not going to be like it was in Season 3; it’s not going to be Rick and the Governor on a collision course with a conflict between them. He’ll be used in very different ways next season.

IGN: Cool! Any teases you can give us about what’s coming in Season 4?

Kirkman: I’ll say that there are a lot of familiar elements that are remaining. Michonne is still around, Rick and his group are still in the prison, the Governor’s still out there… so there are a lot of things that are carrying over from Season 3 to Season 4, but I can’t stress how different things are going to be.

There are going to be some radical changes to those elements that are going to bring in a lot of new storytelling. While [Season 4] does seem somewhat familiar, it’s going to be vastly different from Season 3.
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Full interview with IGN discussing what's next can be found:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/04/02/the-walking-dead-kirkman-talks-season-3-finale-teases-season-4
 
From what I've read, series 4 will shift the focus back to the walkers.

We are going to amp up the threat of the walkers, because they’ve started to seem like a manageable threat. They are not a manageable threat.
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http://seriable.com/the-walking-dead-season-4-spoilers/#ixzz2PLCF7xed



Presumably the elements will play a part as well (Winter Is Coming... :p), and the supply situation will start to get critical.
 
Interesting that he mentions a collision course between Rick and The Governor which was built up to over the whole season and then never actually happened. Rick's crew made some loud noises and fired very badly at the Woodbury people, then they ran away and the Governor ends up killing them all. The Governor drives off and that's it?

Why did Rick bring all the people to the prison when the town was way bigger and had no walkers walking around in it like the prison?
 
FutileBreadMachine said:
Why did Rick bring all the people to the prison when the town was way bigger and had no walkers walking around in it like the prison?
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The prison is a far more defensible position, against walkers or other humans. There are some holes to patch up, but a lightly blockaded town really can't compare.

As for why he brought them back, well, he really wants to show his son that there is another way of doing things. He fears Carl turning into another Shane or the Governor, and feels guilty for leading him down that path somewhat. He wants to show Carl that there is an alternative - that it doesn't need to be him against the world.

Did you notice that, when he brought the "woodbury weak" back that he no longer hallucinated Lori looking down on him? She was a manifestation of his guilt about how he has been teaching his son to survive in this world.
 
Duff-Man said:
The prison is a far more defensible position, against walkers or other humans. There are some holes to patch up, but a lightly blockaded town really can't compare.

As for why he brought them back, well, he really wants to show his son that there is another way of doing things. He fears Carl turning into another Shane or the Governor, and feels guilty for leading him down that path somewhat. He wants to show Carl that there is an alternative - that it doesn't need to be him against the world.

Did you notice that, when he brought the "woodbury weak" back that he no longer hallucinated Lori looking down on him? She was a manifestation of his guilt about how he has been teaching his son to survive in this world.
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I thought about the defensive aspect, but the towers have been blown up and Tyrese's people were able to simply walk in, so I don't think it's a very solid position. However, as we saw, the town was quite easily breached by them since it doesn't have a perimeter fence, so on the whole maybe the prison is better in that regard.

The town did seem like a lot nicer place to live though, so it was strange they decided to stay in that nasty prison crawling with zombies and no supplies.

I got the whole "haunted by guilt" thing with Lori, so glad that's finally over. This episode felt like a regular episode, it didn't go out with a bang.
 
Duff-Man said:
This was established with Jim in the first series.

He had a very minor bite on his chest. He got a heavy fever, then died. It was made clear from the reactions of the other characters that they had seen this process happen before when someone is bitten or scratched.
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You're assuming, we all are, I'm just as right as you are to say that he died from normal infection due to not tending to his wounds and leaving it open, as far as I can remember back.
I wouldn't have called it minor either, something that deep can cause a lot of problems real world without attention. Do you get me?

I'm not arguing he didn't die from the walker-infection but trying to make some realise that just because it's the most probable, doesn't make it the prime cause. It probably was though, just that if you really pay particular attention to detail we have never seen someone with a proper, minor and non life threatening wound turn, it's always really bad stuff.

Again, as far as I can rememeber.


FutileBreadMachine said:
I thought about the defensive aspect, but the towers have been blown up and Tyrese's people were able to simply walk in, so I don't think it's a very solid position. However, as we saw, the town was quite easily breached by them since it doesn't have a perimeter fence, so on the whole maybe the prison is better in that regard.
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One tower was blown up, but usable from looking at it and simply walking in was just an unexplored area; they have lots of gates and during the assault purposely let them get deeper in.
Question begs, why didn't Rick & Co lock them in from behind. I understand they may not have wanted to actually kill them all in a slaughter, but a lot can be done after locking them in, words or bullets.
 
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FutileBreadMachine said:
Interesting that he mentions a collision course between Rick and The Governor which was built up to over the whole season and then never actually happened. Rick's crew made some loud noises and fired very badly at the Woodbury people, then they ran away and the Governor ends up killing them all. The Governor drives off and that's it?

Why did Rick bring all the people to the prison when the town was way bigger and had no walkers walking around in it like the prison?
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I think the firing badly was more to scare them, the prison gang aren't killers they kill to survive, these people were running away scared. Had they been firing I think it would have been a different story.

I think they knew the majority of the people are being manipulated into fighting and didn't think they deserved to die ... unless they put their lives in danger. The main target was to kill the Governor.

CaptainRAVE said:
I am surprised they haven't tidied up the prison yet - seal the gaps, empty out the zombies? Maybe they will for the next season. The governor will be back.
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I expect that when season 4 starts we'll see a new prison emerging, I imagine the gates will be sealed, and the prison fortified and also the prison cleared of any remaining zombies. Maybe they'll move to a different part or more some people into the tombs. I can't imagine everyone living in that one prison block.
 
Black Dynamite said:
I expect that when season 4 starts we'll see a new prison emerging, I imagine the gates will be sealed, and the prison fortified and also the prison cleared of any remaining zombies. Maybe they'll move to a different part or more some people into the tombs. I can't imagine everyone living in that one prison block.
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Hopefully :)

Am I correct in thinking that this story is diverging from the comic books? Or are they just filling in a gap a little bit more that wasn't covered in the comic?
 
ChrisJSY said:
You're assuming, we all are, I'm just as right as you are to say that he died from normal infection due to not tending to his wounds and leaving it open, as far as I can remember back.
I wouldn't have called it minor either, something that deep can cause a lot of problems real world without attention. Do you get me?.
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Not really. So you're saying that, even though she had a high fever, all the symptoms that she has seen turn people into zombies a dozen times before, and a much worse bite than (for example) Jim died from, she should have "kept fighting"? And that it was a plot-hole that she did not?

Doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Look, the show established right from the first episode that when you get bitten you burn up with fever, die, and come back as a zombie. It's stated explicitly (by Morgan), demonstrated directly (by Jim), but more importantly it's accepted by all the cast that have all seen loved ones go this way. It's why, for example, when Jim gets bitten they all look at him like he's already dead, rather than just giving him antibiotics (like they do with T-dog when he cuts his arm open in s2 and it gets badly infected).

Aside from this mountain of evidence, it's pretty much zombie lore 101. Zombies are mindless, they want to eat flesh, and if you get bitten then you turn into one of them.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Am I correct in thinking that this story is diverging from the comic books? Or are they just filling in a gap a little bit more that wasn't covered in the comic?
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It's in "loosely based on" territory. In this season they recycled Woodbury and Governor as a concept, but just about all details don't match, including all "prison season" cliff hangers:
Lori's death was meant to be more bloody and shocking, Rick's newborn daughter Judith doesn't survive prison timeline either. Andrea, now dead in TV series, becomes Ricks girlfriend in books. Greene family is all dead after final prison assault. So is Carol and Tyreese IIRC.
 
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Oh come on, it is pretty damn obvious that if you get bit by a zombie, you are going to die and there is nothing that you can do about it (unless the bite is on the arm/leg in which case you can cut it of, however, you need to be very quick about it), duffman has already explained it well enough, it doesn't matter if it is just a tiny bite mark i.e. like Jim, it is a full blown on version of the virus that kills you (which there is no cure for at all). Yes, everyone is already infected with it, however, it only "activates" once you are dead from my understanding.

Oh and not to forget, at the start of the zombie apocalypse, I am sure that doctors etc. would have tried to treat the bites, however, couldn't because it isn't like any other infection/virus, after all, if they could, then surely there would be a heck of a lot more people alive and the zombies wouldn't be as much of an issue/worry then.........

Even in season 1, you had that doctor/scientist guy trying everything possible to "cure" the infection.
 
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