You do realise what a pre-BETA is? I mean it's only about a YEAR off until it's finished.
Done a epic face palm reading your comment.
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You do realise what a pre-BETA is? I mean it's only about a YEAR off until it's finished.
Done a epic face palm reading your comment.
Yeah i watched the whole keynote video and see how much less Win8 uses. That was with a 1GB machine though. On your 3GB system it's a good thing it's making use of your memory, it will certainly speed things up.
I have 24GB, soon it will be 32GB, and i actually want the OS to make use of this.
Win7 already does the same though. The memory usage will vary greatly on a clean system install, depending on how much RAM you have installed.
Oh and thanks for the screenshot!
Should be fine. Anything that can run Win7 will be able to run Win8 atleast as good.
I agree. HTML5/JS is just marketing rubbish to get web devs to make gimmicky apps. Using it to make complex apps is just not possible, it cant be done. Imagine if Photoshop or 3DS Max were made with HTML5. It would be 100x more simple and run like ****!!
I'm just so sick of HTML5. Most overrated thing ever. Cant even do half the things as Flash can, and when it does it often uses 10x as much CPU usage. What makes me laugh is when you view Apples own HTML5 demo's on a iPad it maxes out the CPU and runs under 10 FPS. Yet Flash can do the same on a less powerful Android smartphone and run at 60 FPS. Even MS's own Silverlight is so much better and more efficient.
I would try installing Win 8 on a virtual HDD. As someone posted before. It's pretty easy to create a VHD in Win 7 (but way easier in Win 8).
Already have Win 8 running on a super old laptop but i'll be trying the above for my main rig. It's safer and a VHD is easy to remove.
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The lack of Flash on Metro IE10 is a massive fail. I've just updated my original thread post with this and i'll just paste what i said there...
Apparently this is to help with security (even though HTML5 has more than enough security holes), but apparently is also to help battery life. Even when HTML5 animations and video can often use MORE CPU usage than the equivalent thing done in Flash. And Flash's 10.2 Stage Video feature has the best in class video hardware acceleration. I know this for a fact as i've been developing with Flash for a decade and HTML5 for 2+ years.
You can always switch to the desktop and use any normal browser with plugins, but on a mobile touch device this isn't ideal.
As for Flash not supporting touch as NathanE said... wot?! Too much Apple koolaid? It's always supported touch, since the 90's! But like with ANYTHING it's up to the developer to actually make there site/game/app/whatever work well with touch. Some Android apps are actually Flash.
BTW the top selling game on Apples App Store at the moment (Machinarium) was made in Flash... how ironic is that? LOL.
Theres also still a ton of things that HTML5 cant do that Flash can. Flash also gets yearly updates so will always remain ahead (there was over a decade from HTML4 to HTML5 and it's still not finished).
Flash Player 11 has access to DirectX and OpenGL enabling console level graphics (see below).
I actually think this is a big reason why MS are not allowing Flash on Metro IE.... why pay for a Metro App on the new store, when you can play a free Flash game with the level of graphics (or better) as in the below video. Anything DirextX graphics can do Flash can now do.
Apparently this is to help with security (even though HTML5 has more than enough security holes), but apparently is also to help battery life. Even when HTML5 animations and video can often use MORE CPU usage than the equivalent thing done in Flash. And Flash's 10.2 Stage Video feature has the best in class video hardware acceleration. I know this for a fact as i've been developing with Flash for a decade and HTML5 for 2+ years.
You can always switch to the desktop and use any normal browser with plugins, but on a mobile touch device this isn't ideal.
As for Flash not supporting touch as NathanE said... wot?! Too much Apple koolaid? It's always supported touch, since the 90's! But like with ANYTHING it's up to the developer to actually make there site/game/app/whatever work well with touch. Some Android apps are actually Flash.
BTW the top selling game on Apples App Store at the moment (Machinarium) was made in Flash... how ironic is that? LOL.
Theres also still a ton of things that HTML5 cant do that Flash can. Flash also gets yearly updates so will always remain ahead (there was over a decade from HTML4 to HTML5 and it's still not finished).
Flash Player 11 has access to DirectX and OpenGL enabling console level graphics (see below).
I actually think this is a big reason why MS are not allowing Flash on Metro IE.... why pay for a Metro App on the new store, when you can play a free Flash game with the level of graphics (or better) as in the below video. Anything DirextX graphics can do Flash can now do.
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What other major tablet or mobile OS lets you do two things at once on screen? Answer: none.Most of them dont even support proper multitasking.
It's been posted about 4 times now and it's even in my original thread post
Btw i've updated that post with loads of new Win 8 features but no one ever seems to read it judging from many posts in this thread...
Much ancient legacy code was removed in Win 8, and they optimised the kernel and core parts of the OS a lot for all the less powerful tablet devices it will be running on. I think it might actually run better than XP did on my super old laptop... thats pretty crazy. Definitely runs better than Win7 on old hardware.
Theres a article here but you can find a few around if you google.
On top of what that article mentions, from what i can make out there was also still some stuff in there from Windows 98 and earlier days, which also seems to have been removed, finally. And a lot of support for 1990's era hardware that no longer exists. If something does not work though then now that Hyper-V is included with Win 8 it can pretty much run anything from any Windows version.
To be honest i've not even heard anything about this... i'll look in to it and add it to my first post if i can find enough details on it.
Is it possible to get Win 8 running better on VMware or VirtualBox? On both i've got Win 8 using 8GB and 8 CPU cores. It still blows but it's better than Win7 virtualized. It's the same with any OS i try with virtualization though. For instance just dragging a window around the screen is laggy... i suppose this is the norm. And you can see my system specs in my sig so it's obviously not my hardware.
I'd recommend just installing Win 8 on a partition or VHD to get a proper feel for the OS. Otherwise it's like driving a ferrari with a ford ka engine.
I'd recommend just installing Win 8 on a partition or VHD to get a proper feel for the OS. Otherwise it's like driving a ferrari with a ford ka engine.
Yeah i've enabled full hardware virtualization. So it's not normal for virtualization to run this bad then? I've tried all different settings but nothing is helping, even gone up to to 12GB and 12 cores. With VirtualBox i've set 256MB for the GPU, highest it will go. VMware dont seem to have a option for that though. This is also with x64 Win 8 running on Win 7. It's just the animations and UI that lag, loading and other things are still fast.
The performance is already improved a considerable amount on this dev preview. And from past experience MS always squeeze more performance out before release. I've got Win 8 running on a ancient laptop with a P4 CPU (single core) with just 512MB RAM, and it uses over 100MB less RAM than Win 7 did, it's also noticeably faster and using less processes too - it's made it usable. On new hardware it's hard to tell any difference though because Win 7 is already fast. But maybe there will be speed improvements for gaming, networking, wifi....
Other things that will benefit literally everyone are the new power saving features, some really big improvements here not just for sleep modes. They would have to do this though because if anyones tried running Win 7 on a tablet PC before you'll know the battery life is a total joke compared to Android or iToy tablets... although half of that is from Win 7 not being able to use ARM CPU's.
But speaking of ARM... now we'll have CPU's to choose from from Nvidia, TI, Qualcomm, and others all using ARM based designs. This will bring all new kinds of tiny PC's with fanless designs, not just tablets.
Then theres much improved security, and Xbox Live for the gamers. All this stuff alone is probably more of an upgrade than going from XP to 7 for most people. Theres more stuff i'm just too tired to type...
Anyone else running Win 8 on actual hardware and not virtualized? Even on slower stuff it seems to be booting extremely fast. But the fast boot times dont really seem to work when it's virtualized.
I've had it boot in seconds on a 6+ year old laptop, yet on my hex-core system with 24GB RAM and SSD's with it virtualized it's nowhere near as quick.
I've had it boot in seconds on a 6+ year old laptop, yet on my hex-core system with 24GB RAM and SSD's with it virtualized it's nowhere near as quick.
Theres a few new posts on the MS Win 8 blog...
Reengineering the Windows boot experience
Protecting you from malware
Running Win 8 in a virtual machine
...The last one brings up a point that i was saying earlier on in this thread and also mentions problems i had. Basically if you run Win 8 in virtualization it's going to be crap. The UI wont run as silky smooth, the OS wont be as fast, it will have more bugs, and it wont use some new hardware features. Atleast for now anyway because no virtualization software properly supports Win 8.
Reengineering the Windows boot experience
Protecting you from malware
Running Win 8 in a virtual machine
...The last one brings up a point that i was saying earlier on in this thread and also mentions problems i had. Basically if you run Win 8 in virtualization it's going to be crap. The UI wont run as silky smooth, the OS wont be as fast, it will have more bugs, and it wont use some new hardware features. Atleast for now anyway because no virtualization software properly supports Win 8.
VMware 8 is the best. But as i just posted above i wouldn't recommend using virtualization if you want to get a proper feel for the OS.
Dont think this has been mentioned yet (?) but the whole boot process has been updated in Win 8. I just added this to my original post...
The whole boot process has had a overhaul. All interfaces including the dual-boot screen for multiple OS's, the Windows Recovery Environment, Disk Check and others have been updated to use a proper graphical interface (no more text on a black background from the 1970's), and also include some new features. They now all support touch and mouse input too, not just keyboard like before.
The whole boot process has had a overhaul. All interfaces including the dual-boot screen for multiple OS's, the Windows Recovery Environment, Disk Check and others have been updated to use a proper graphical interface (no more text on a black background from the 1970's), and also include some new features. They now all support touch and mouse input too, not just keyboard like before.
It will look like that on any device and that isn't going to change. If you want to find something in the new Start screen just start typing, you dont have to open a search box or anything.
Or when on the desktop, move the cursor down to the bottom left of the Start button (dont click it) and a menu will appear, then go to: Search > Apps. It will then list your installed programs. It's the closest to Win 7 and Vista's: Start > All programs, if thats what you want.
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