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but dont you see your using mavity in your argument right there the moment you put earth in the equation. the reason why you even made those calculations is because the rocket has to fight earths mavity (gravitational pull) which completely nullifies your entire argument. hence if he used his rocket in space he wouldnt get jack from it.

he would if he accelerates in space *ie between solar systems where there s no mavity of significance) at exactly 9.8m/s^-2 constantly, he will be pushed to the back of the craft at 1G and will weight hat he does on earth.
 
I said weight in the sense of a gravitational constant which is different from weight on earth or regular mavity.

Im not einstein, I dont have all the answers, but as stated on links to equate the mass of a sun etc you require the gravitational constant which although is not easy to get is still a requirement. and they use the gravitational constant between the sun and the earth to get the mass of other stars. etc etc etc. read it all.

yes but you said solar mass is weight, which it is not the gravitational constant is used because from it you can calculate how much matter is there at the sun.
 
but dont you see your using mavity in your argument right there the moment you put earth in the equation. the reason why you even made those calculations is because the rocket has to fight earths mavity (gravitational pull) which completely nullifies your entire argument. hence if he used his rocket in space he wouldnt get jack from it.

No.

The rocket is in a zero G weightless environment, it is not subject to the gravitational pull of the earth.

There are two separate equations that determine the weight of the astronaut under the two different circumstances.

In the accelerating rocket.

F=m*a1 where a1 is the acceleration of the rocket.

On the earth

F=m*a2 where a2 is acceleration due to mavity.

You clearly do not understand physics.
 
yes but you said solar mass is weight, which it is not the gravitational constant is used because from it you can calculate how much matter is there at the sun.

no I didnt I stated that a gravitational constant takes a major role in calculating such mass - and as a gravitational constant is the gravitational pull of the sun on the earth, this creates the weight of the earth to the sun. I am in no way saying solar mass is just weight, I am saying it is a gravitational property in the same way weight is but weight on earth is different on the weight created from mavity from the sun.
 
No.

The rocket is in a zero G weightless environment, it is not subject to the gravitational pull of the earth.

There are two separate equations that determine the weight of the astronaut under the two different circumstances.

In the accelerating rocket.

F=m*a1 where a1 is the acceleration of the rocket.

On the earth

F=m*a2 where a2 is acceleration due to mavity.

You clearly do not understand physics.

you never stated the rocket in space under zero mavity - you simply stated it was on earth.

if your going to make an argument dont change it after it has been answered and say the person answering is wrong.
 
no I didnt I stated that a gravitational constant takes a major role in calculating such mass - and as a gravitational constant is the gravitational pull of the sun on the earth, this creates the weight of the earth to the sun. I am in no way saying solar mass is just weight, I am saying it is a gravitational property in the same way weight is but weight on earth is different on the weight created from mavity from the sun.

but it is not the gravitational constant is used purely as a simple way to measure it, solar mass is a function of mass and there for is not related to anything other than the number of atoms and their relative atomic masses.
 
you never stated the rocket in space under zero mavity - you simply stated it was on earth.

if your going to make an argument dont change it after it has been answered and say the person answering is wrong.

he said an astronought in zero G space and never once used the word earth.
 
but it is not the gravitational constant is used purely as a simple way to measure it, solar mass is a function of mass and there for is not related to anything other than the number of atoms and their relative atomic masses.

yes I know this was the debate before you came in. regarding mass and density.
 
I am saying it does not have to.

A stationary astronaut in a zero G environment has no weight. Now consider that same astronaut sitting in the seat of his rocket and accelerate the rocket at 20m/s/s, the force (weight) he exerts on the seat will be approximately twice the weight exerted by his rest mass on earth due to mavity. So in the accelerating rocket his weight is not due to mavity but due to the acceleration of the rocket.

Neglecting relativity his mass does not change.

was his exact post and I was referring to his statement where the astronaught is on earth. we already know astronauts in space have zero g :p
 
was his exact post and I was referring to his statement where the astronaught is on earth.

he's just saying that when accelerating at 20m/s in zero g he would be over twice his earth weight.

or if he was moving perpendicular to the earth then he would be over 3 times his earth weight.
 
you never stated the rocket in space under zero mavity - you simply stated it was on earth.

if your going to make an argument dont change it after it has been answered and say the person answering is wrong.

Where do I state the rocket is on earth, read it again. We have the same weightless astronaut in the rocket implying that the rocket was in space.

I made a comparison with the astronauts rest mass on earth.

I have not changed anything.

Even if the rocket was on earth the same laws of physics apply except you get an additional acceleration against the gravitational pull of the earth making the force exerted on the seat by the astronaut *3 rather than *2.
 
he's just saying that when accelerating at 20m/s in zero g he would be over twice his earth weight.

or if he was moving perpendicular to the earth then he would be over 3 times his earth weight.

..... actually in his original post he only made 1 equation and didnt use the accelerating rocket at 20m/s/s in a zero g zone. he only used it (or at least worded it) as if it was only on earth.

to which I replied mavity still plays its part.
 
I am saying it does not have to.

A stationary astronaut in a zero G environment has no weight. <<<< full stop.

Now consider that same astronaut (ok)sitting in the seat of his rocket (ok now different scenario)and accelerate the rocket at 20m/s/s, the force (weight) he exerts on the seat will be approximately twice the weight exerted by his rest mass on earth due to mavity. So in the accelerating rocket his weight is not due to mavity but due to the acceleration of the rocket.

Neglecting relativity his mass does not change.
 
it's 5 am and I'm still putting off doing my lab report for 9 am tomorrow :o

because welshman talks and fills you with lulz

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Im off to bed man!
 
Holy moly there are some misconceptions in this thread.

stevenazari1, I have to say from reading this through it seems you're a bit out of your depth arguing these topics.
 
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