I meant doing the stock design better in the first place must be cost thing I reckon
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Thermalright LGA1700-BCF Frame Corrector.
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I meant doing the stock design better in the first place must be cost thing I reckon
Soldato
Oh I know what you meant, my point was Intel don't see the stock design being an issue in the first place.
Soldato
They would never acknowledge the problem because then they’d need to rectify it. I’m sure at one point in the future they’ll change their design.
It shows how little they care for the end consumer. As far as Intel is concerned as long as the product runs within its thermal limit then any flaw in the design or manufacturing is a feature, not a error.
You can think of this in the same way as the 8700k delid saga where delidding would grant 20c lower temp due to design flaw in the TIM but Intel would never acknowledge that as an issue because even with the problem the CPU still ran under its max temperature
You can think of this in the same way as the 8700k delid saga where delidding would grant 20c lower temp due to design flaw in the TIM but Intel would never acknowledge that as an issue because even with the problem the CPU still ran under its max temperature
Soldato
Its almost like people don't understand what a design spec is, its not a problem, its just not ideal for us.
I'm sure plenty of engineers at intel would love to redesign the system but there are balances and these are more complex to install for the average guy.
Do people complain that cars overheat when you tune them? or do they buy the parts to make that tune work?
Is it a design flaw cause something wont run faster than its meant to?
Ok i admit the whole "spec" of a CPU is not as simple, with boost clocks and how long it can hold that boost, but im sure intel is hitting everything it has to by spec.
Doesn't mean its good but id take this 1000 times over than having to delid a cpu to get the temp down.
I'm sure plenty of engineers at intel would love to redesign the system but there are balances and these are more complex to install for the average guy.
Do people complain that cars overheat when you tune them? or do they buy the parts to make that tune work?
Is it a design flaw cause something wont run faster than its meant to?
Ok i admit the whole "spec" of a CPU is not as simple, with boost clocks and how long it can hold that boost, but im sure intel is hitting everything it has to by spec.
Doesn't mean its good but id take this 1000 times over than having to delid a cpu to get the temp down.
Associate
Yeah for like a tenner there is no real reason not to fit a BCF.
Still pretty bad of Intel though not to have designed it to apply a more 'even' pressure in the first place.
got to wonder, all those reviews that were done when alderlake first came out imagine now if they had a proper frame the cpus would be praised for the cool running. intel would have got a lot more brownie points.
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Soldato
No, it's not.
Is it a design flaw when the design causes your CPU and motherboard to warp, potentially causing failures down the line? yes, very much yes.
Nobody's delidding anything, unless you're an extreme overclocker who buys the Thermal Grizzy version with lapping kit.
Soldato
You're going to bring tribalism into this too? Don't start with this fanboy tosh.
Caporegime
Well said, one user has just been permabanned for it!
I can't believe people are trying to cover for Intel with this one. They should be held accountable for the crap design!
Soldato
I have been trying to get thermals down on a 12900KS on a 360mm AIO so i have ordered one of these.
Soldato
Wonder if these will be work/be needed for Z790 boards. nothing official yet but socket is the same so I assume the hold down will be.
if intel play it smart they can alter the hole distance by 1mm then sell their own version of the frame corrector
Soldato
But that would mean Intel admitting they were wrong when they dismissed the pressure and warping issues previously.if intel play it smart they can alter the hole distance by 1mm then sell their own version of the frame corrector
And when do Intel ever admit they were wrong?
Associate
Sucks that users have to resort to this modification.
I have’t gone with Intel this time around, so I have dodged this bullet.
I have’t gone with Intel this time around, so I have dodged this bullet.
Soldato
To be fair, it's not mega critical. The mounting system can cause flex, the mounting system does produce uneven mounting pressure and patterns which can cause thermal issues, but it's not a 100% guarantee for every user.
Also this was only noticed by extreme overclockers to begin with, so unless you're dealing with extreme cooling scenarios or pushing your 12900KS to its limits on desktop, a lot of the time you're not going have massive issues. But, for those who do have issues, these frame correctors are essential.
So yeah, sucks that the users who experience issues have to resort to this. I don't think it's worth bothering with if you're running a 12400F for example.
Soldato
If you want to see a simple visual example of the bent CPU then look no further.