This Business and Moment...

Might have found an architect to do the project for us. We're going back to the house tomorrow to take as many pics and vids as possible, then mortgage broker Friday. We want to borrow against our existing apartment which we've found out is worth about 110k and we have 87% equity in that, so hoping we can use that.
We mocked up a 400k build budget without sale price and the architect thinks we can do it for that... All kicking off...

I got scope creep :eek:
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I know it's not business and moment, but I find my home in here :p:p
 
That is some epic scope creep :D

I got my Dads fiance emailing me a bunch of questions about the apartment. All totally sod all to do with her. But if I don't keep her sweet she could stop Dads from helping me out (financially) :rolleyes:

Thats 40mins wasted on an email...
 
randomshenans said:
lol no but man they want so much. All I've done this morning so far. Now I have to wait for French people to send me ****, which will be ridiculous.
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lol ah the fun and joys of house purchasing!

I am waiting for the money Dad is loaning me to hit my account (it was sent last night via transferwise, so all being well it should hit my account today at some point) if it arrives today I am going to sign the buy-sell promise contract tomorrow morning. Eeep :D
 
Phate said:
lol ah the fun and joys of house purchasing!
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Tell me about it. Yours sounds super easy though!

Maccy said:
@randomshenans started your book Unthunk this morning, I think it's going to be quite useful for me :)
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:D shouldn't take you long! Ha it's not quantity but content that's important... or something like that? Appreciate you reading!
 
So the job has been given to...


An internal candidate. :rolleyes: This is the first time any internal candidate has been mentioned, apparently they're less experienced than me but have taken on the role.
 
Sorry to hear that, slightly ironic given there have been a couple of posts on here recently where internal candidates have lost out to external ones!

You did mention they had interviewed two other people for the role though.

I guess an internal candidate is more of a known quantity, if you had some gaps in your knowledge too and they're otherwise happy with the internal guy/gal (+ he/she is already familiar with the set up, the business etc..) then it could certainly make sense to go with the internal one if they interviewed well too.

Hopefully if these are fairly generic support type positions then you'll get another one lined up soon enough. :)
 
dowie said:
Sorry to hear that, slightly ironic given there have been a couple of posts on here recently where internal candidates have lost out to external ones!

You did mention they had interviewed two other people for the role though.

I guess an internal candidate is more of a known quantity, if you had some gaps in your knowledge too and they're otherwise happy with the internal guy/gal (+ he/she is already familiar with the set up, the business etc..) then it could certainly make sense to go with the internal one if they interviewed well too.

Hopefully if these are fairly generic support type positions then you'll get another one lined up soon enough. :)
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Cheers - the other 2 people were all external as far as I'm aware, they mentioned in my interview that the last person they were interviewing, they were hoping to get in on the same day (as the manager had travelled down from Manchester) but they were on holiday, so I'm pretty sure all 3 of us were external. It's a bit irritating that another, internal person had appeared from nowhere to be honest. I'm wondering if that was the delay as they were meant to be making a decision on Monday/Tuesday.

It was a cut above most of the normal support roles which I why I'm pretty gutted I didn't get it, location/role/salary were all perfect, almost too good to be true - however I'd already said to myself after the day or 2 delay that it probably wasn't to be, so wasn't surprised when the decision came in.

I had 2 other calls/emails today and both roles weren't good enough, and although I really want to find something better than my current place (for numerous reasons - a general lack of professionalism, zero progression or pay rise opportunities, terrible clients, and some irritating staff) it's an easy job with very little/no stress so I'm not desperate to move for any old job.

I would like to find something before the economy falls off a cliff at the end of March though... :eek::p:(
 
Have you thought about trying application support? Various vendors of enterprise software will have support teams who deal with either end users or IT teams at clients. And indeed the IT teams at various companies will have application support people too.

The support teams can be a bit of a mix of people, one one hand they'll want some people with some domain knowledge and on the other hand they'll want people with technical skills too who have perhaps acquired those skills in a more regular IT support role.
 
My experience of application support (and I'm fully aware this may be completely wrong and just what I've had exposure to) is that they're the lower level teams dealing solely with application issues and nothing in terms of server/hosting/infrastructure level? Obviously each vendor will have their own specialist teams for their products but unless you can get in at a big software company with a product that's used widely, I can see that being a way to get a lot of experience in a very specific area which may not be useful if/when you come to change employers. Whereas pretty much every software hosting company/MSP will be using windows servers/citrix/vmware, and/or AWS/Azure in some shape or form. I'm ready to be corrected though! :)

I've worked in an end user facing role for the last 5 years in IT, and prior to that another 5 or 6 years within financial services, so I'm trying to get away from end user support :p ideally into a role which has much less (or no) desktop support and more server/hosting support, so Windows servers, VMware, Citrix, AWS & Azure and so-on. My current role was a step back in terms of exposure to server stuff but a step forward in terms of exposure to pretty much everything else (office 365, firewalls, routers, switches, access points, VPN's, general networking, dhcp, dns, patching, group policy, vmware, citrix, esxi, hyper v, DR & backups, sharepoint, domain controllers, file servers, app servers, print servers, printers, email/web blocking, UPS, servers and desktop hardware, and so on... just pretty much everything on a daily basis!) and I think I want to get a 2nd & 3rd line/infrastructure role to try and start to become less of a jack of all trades and more a master of some - then possibly going into a specialisation from there in a few years time (security/automation/networking as examples).

Essentially though, 1 year ago when starting this role I had a salary I wanted to achieve within 2 years, and the roles I'm going for now are at that level so I'm ahead of my target. My main drive is progression, starting in IT support at the bottom age 32/33 meant I wanted fast progression which hasn't come as quick as I'd have liked in my current or previous roles. And where I am, well there's zero progression, so...
 
TallPaul_S said:
My experience of application support (and I'm fully aware this may be completely wrong and just what I've had exposure to) is that they're the lower level teams dealing solely with application issues and nothing in terms of server/hosting/infrastructure level?
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I'm not sure you can really deal with the application in complete isolation with regards to the servers etc... certainly not from support bods more focused on the technical side of things. It is more just different responsibilities AFAIK or at least it seemed to be that way at the firm I worked at, if anything the guys looking after the SaaS stuff were mostly just following a paint by numbers approach, configuring stuff, monitoring, checking etc... just duplicating some of what the client's own IT guys would be doing had the client opted to host the application themselves. Almost everyone had to do a bit of time in support at that place.

I used to deal with the team a lot (and initially did my time there upon joining the company on a grad scheme) as I'd liaise with them for the dev team I worked on re: what items they could raise change requests for, what needed more info/replication by them or the client and which items they've screwed up on and either aren't software issues or they've misdiagnosed and are for another team to handle.

You've got a valid point re: big software companies etc.. though I guess it depends on the sector etc.. a mid sized firm with big clients and deep pockets can also be useful - I guess the contractor market and indeed the market for full time roles at clients too can be a bit small/everyone who has been around for a few years knows each other or is one connection away - that is sort of a double edge sword but if you're good and your name gets around then it can be quite lucrative.

On the other hand if you're say some SAP support specialist/consultant etc.. well they're massive and if you suck then you can probably get away with it and just bounce around different companies for 6 months at a time as there are so many of them. Then again there are loads of people with that skillset and the rates aren't as lucrative.
 
dowie said:
I'm not sure you can really deal with the application in complete isolation with regards to the servers etc... certainly not from support bods more focused on the technical side of things. It is more just different responsibilities AFAIK or at least it seemed to be that way at the firm I worked at, if anything the guys looking after the SaaS stuff were mostly just following a paint by numbers approach, configuring stuff, monitoring, checking etc... just duplicating some of what the client's own IT guys would be doing had the client opted to host the application themselves. Almost everyone had to do a bit of time in support at that place.

I used to deal with the team a lot (and initially did my time there upon joining the company on a grad scheme) as I'd liaise with them for the dev team I worked on re: what items they could raise change requests for, what needed more info/replication by them or the client and which items they've screwed up on and either aren't software issues or they've misdiagnosed and are for another team to handle.

You've got a valid point re: big software companies etc.. though I guess it depends on the sector etc.. a mid sized firm with big clients and deep pockets can also be useful - I guess the contractor market and indeed the market for full time roles at clients too can be a bit small/everyone who has been around for a few years knows each other or is one connection away - that is sort of a double edge sword but if you're good and your name gets around then it can be quite lucrative.

On the other hand if you're say some SAP support specialist/consultant etc.. well they're massive and if you suck then you can probably get away with it and just bounce around different companies for 6 months at a time as there are so many of them. Then again there are loads of people with that skillset and the rates aren't as lucrative.
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Cheers - it sounds like it's more of specialisation route after general desktop support then, and there's probably a fair few different job roles within the application support moniker. TBH I think I've only ever dealt with '1st line' app support, hence not really having had much involvement. Something else to have a look for though, and another search string to add to the list, thanks :)

It's all about finding that niche that's in demand with not too many other people doing it, but enough employers wanting those skills :D

The job role that I missed out on was at a software company, in healthcare - so they had a separate application support team and triage team and everything else that goes with hosting and developing various applications. God dammit internal candidates!! :rolleyes::p
 
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