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dante6491 said:
Been through the interview process and have been offered a job. On the face of it, the 18% payrise would swing it, but after travel costs and a smaller pension contribution are taken into account the package is not hugely different to what I'm already on.
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Go back and tell them this? Negotiation is all on you. If they say no and it's not worth it, dont!
 
dante6491 said:
Been through the interview process and have been offered a job. On the face of it, the 18% payrise would swing it, but after travel costs and a smaller pension contribution are taken into account the package is not hugely different to what I'm already on.

Other trade offs would be lower GIP and death in service and a significantly less noteworthy client base. That said there is a better route of progression I think.

Leaning against taking the offer.
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I guess it depends on what's important. I switched jobs for similar salaries but much preferred the job itself, even though i lost my health insurance. One of the main benefits for me was reduced travel time though, whereas sounds like you're going the other way.

I think the worst part was the fact that i wasn't entitled to an inflationary raise due to the timing of starting in June and the salary reviews being done in March. However with inflation being what it was, i imagine i'd be on a decent amount more had i stayed at the last job!

Something i'm going to bring up in a little while i think when back from holidays, as my boss mentioned keeping an eye on cost of living increases and if anything it's continued to increase with BOE rates rising and the expected October utility increase.

Still don't regret having switched though.
 
Martynt74 said:
I think the worst part was the fact that i wasn't entitled to an inflationary raise due to the timing of starting in June and the salary reviews being done in March. However with inflation being what it was, i imagine i'd be on a decent amount more had i stayed at the last job!
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This is actually becoming a genuine issue with inflation approaching double-figures, although don't bank on employers offering pay rises to match inflation. One approach I've taken in the past is to negotiate an increased salary upon successful completion of probation on the basis that I'd be forgoing that year's pay rise. Basically for anyone negotiating a move you really need to be thinking of your current salary as being whatever you expect it to be based on the outcome of your next pay review (same for other benefits like increased holiday allowance, reduction in pro-rata bonus, etc).
 
Yeah, i think when i switched though it was ~June 21 and no-one foresore the inflationary issues that were to come, and since pay reviews were in March 22 i think i had assumed i would be included in the inflationary increases whereas in reality i'm probably ~£4k down on where i would've been had i stayed and doing less work!
 
randomshenans said:
Go back and tell them this? Negotiation is all on you. If they say no and it's not worth it, dont!
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Martynt74 said:
I guess it depends on what's important. I switched jobs for similar salaries but much preferred the job itself, even though i lost my health insurance. One of the main benefits for me was reduced travel time though, whereas sounds like you're going the other way.

I think the worst part was the fact that i wasn't entitled to an inflationary raise due to the timing of starting in June and the salary reviews being done in March. However with inflation being what it was, i imagine i'd be on a decent amount more had i stayed at the last job!

Something i'm going to bring up in a little while i think when back from holidays, as my boss mentioned keeping an eye on cost of living increases and if anything it's continued to increase with BOE rates rising and the expected October utility increase.

Still don't regret having switched though.
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Thanks guys. I ended up turning them down but they then uppped the offer an additional £4k. I still was not entirely feeling it though and suggested we revisit it in a year which they seem open to.

In terms of travel I would end up trading a 28 minute door to door drive for a 2hr+ train and walk each way. It was confirmed after I turned them down that my travel could be fully expensed rather frustratingly. If my fiance and I moved closer to London, which we are planning, it would be significantly more tempting.

What this does give me is some leverage with the current job ahead of October pay reviews.
 
Ah yeah. In a time where people are cutting commutes to benefit their personal lives there’s no chance I’d be taking a 2hr train journey. Paid for or not!
 
dante6491 said:
Thanks guys. I ended up turning them down but they then uppped the offer an additional £4k. I still was not entirely feeling it though and suggested we revisit it in a year which they seem open to.

In terms of travel I would end up trading a 28 minute door to door drive for a 2hr+ train and walk each way. It was confirmed after I turned them down that my travel could be fully expensed rather frustratingly. If my fiance and I moved closer to London, which we are planning, it would be significantly more tempting.

What this does give me is some leverage with the current job ahead of October pay reviews.
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Na man, the money isn't worth it.
 
2hr+ commute every day? **** that.

There has to be a work/life balance and with that commute you are living to work as oppose to working to live. You're going to be tired, what about required overtime, wife/family time. If they want you so badly, is there option for WFH or hybrid?

If not, a 30min drive is actually nice for me - chilled drive in, de-stress on the way home, but 2hrs+, especially travelling with the great unwashed - not a chance in hell.
 
malachi said:
You must get bored quickly,:D unless it a promotion each time.
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Well, first two was really one, I was trained in one team as the team I should've been in didn't have anyone who could. I then got promoted and different role, but I wasn't enjoying the project itself, so now I am doing something I will find interesting again.
I will jump again if it doesn't work out, no point doing something I find boring but yes I do get bored quickly :)
 
dante6491 said:
It was confirmed after I turned them down that my travel could be fully expensed rather frustratingly.
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The fact you say "frustratingly" implies you might have made a different decision had you known. As I understand it the offer you ended up with was 118% of current salary plus £4k plus not having to pay for the 28min drive as the new job would fund commuting. I guess that's quite a big swing i.e. presumably the train cost would have been worth £5k/year after tax so in gross terms their offer ended up perhaps £12k higher than than the 118% you thought you were originally being offered.
 
Job searching for the first ever time! Having been in the RAF since 17 (Having applied when I was 16). Think it's time to embark on a new chapter after a pretty good 13 years. Though the organisation in my opinion is not heading in the right direction.

Only browsing for the time being, and not intent on handing in my notice in the short term. Though going to test the water and see what employment opportunities are out there for an SNCO.
 
KiwiTaff said:
Job searching for the first ever time! Having been in the RAF since 17 (Having applied when I was 16). Think it's time to embark on a new chapter after a pretty good 13 years. Though the organisation in my opinion is not heading in the right direction.

Only browsing for the time being, and not intent on handing in my notice in the short term. Though going to test the water and see what employment opportunities are out there for an SNCO.
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Ex Army here, I did 13 years. What trade are you?
 
Mad stress - I couldn't find my degree cert and my parents previously stated they gave it to me. The last time this was requested for a job application was 25 years ago on my first graduate role. Turns out my parents had a bit of a reorg over the weekend and found it. Problem solved. As I couldn't find it I'd ordered a re-issue from the university that takes up to 20 days but I only have about two weeks for the application vetting hence the stress!

Looking forward to getting started in the new role (starts September).
 
KiwiTaff said:
It's pretty narrow! But mainly working on Surveillance in both Air & Space domains. Using pretty niche kit! I'm 31 now, so still young enough to find another career path.
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Defence drones operations - I suspect it will not be long before we have space drones attacking satellites.
 
NickK said:
Mad stress - I couldn't find my degree cert and my parents previously stated they gave it to me. The last time this was requested for a job application was 25 years ago on my first graduate role. Turns out my parents had a bit of a reorg over the weekend and found it. Problem solved. As I couldn't find it I'd ordered a re-issue from the university that takes up to 20 days but I only have about two weeks for the application vetting hence the stress!
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This is the great thing about not having a degree :D
 
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