This 'sugar tax' crap is doing my head in!

[Energize]

This is 1/10 level trolling here, I've seen better on 4chan even. :/

I think I've let you show yourself up enough for one night in any case so goodnight.

 

[Tefal]

If you possess an extreme porn video that you were actually involved in, it can be a defence to prove that you were actually involved in the video (good luck proving that). This of course depends on the type of content, for example even though bestiality may well be legal you could still be arrested for having a video of it, a perfect legal contradiction but I digress.

Otherwise it doesn't matter whether the video was commercial in nature or something you downloaded off Redtube etc. This is why I think everyone should use VPN's and full disk encryption, because common sense does just not cut it, without a law degree you basically have no way of knowing what ridiculous laws you could be running afoul of..

well in one of them i think i could prove its me my wrist has some distinctive scars ( but then am i in more torubble as im the one holding the camera?


but i meant more if people film themselves then send it to others on whatsapp etc?


as quite a few of my friends are perverts or hookers so i get sent some pretty messed up home movies on whatsap

This is the unfortunate problem with having an NHS style system like we do, it discourages personal responsibility because your contributions into the system are the same regardless of how badly you choose to live.

so why do Americans get fat? they dont have an nhs

 

[Screeeech]

Where on earth did you get those figures from?

Coke is the top seller but thsts including zero and diet redbull is very far down the list

Nope - Coca Cola classic, is still - by far the most consumed soft drink in the UK, and in the US (where it makes up 63% of all coke products sold). The statistics you provided, don't tell us anything other than coca cola sell a lot of drinks combined. (which is obvious as they hold the market share)

However;

https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/which-is-your-bestselling-brand-coca-cola-or-diet-coke

Coca-Cola Classic. Our original and iconic cola is still our top-seller. However, 43% of the cola we now sell is made up of Coca-Cola Zero Sugar, Diet Coke or Coca-Cola Life, which have less or no sugar.

Here's one showing a breakdown per actual beverage;

https://www.statista.com/statistics...united-kingdom-uk-by-convenience-sales-value/

also;

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/reports...gest-brands-2018/2-2-coca-cola/565165.article

The focus on its three remaining variants seems to have paid off. Growth has mainly come from the revamped Coke Zero Sugar, which added an extra £39m to its sales - an increase of 37% on the year before to £144.2m. By contrast, sales of the larger Diet Coke (£421m) and Classic (£576.3m) variants remained relatively flat with just over £6.5m growth between them.

 

[steve5424]

But if you breakdown the UK Scotland's most popular soft drink is Irn Bru and not Coke.

Think it's almost the only country where Coke is not the top seller

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Sales of Coke didn't surprise me, but looking at the stats by £ doesn't really show the full picture and is a bit of a flawed argument. Red Bull is way more expensive/litre than Coke and likewise Retailer own brand is often up to 75% less expensive than Coke.

Comparing stats by volumes sold tells a much bigger picture, but again that's really hard because concentrated syrups would need to be normalised for for their full diluted volumes (branded fizzy drinks come in a 'postmix' form and Ribena comes concentrated).

When you take into account the £/litre the 'own brand' stuff is likely to be outselling Coca Cola in volume by quite a margin. If the 'own brands' changed all their recipes (which most did so they can still hit the magic price point) it would have a huge difference to how much sugar people are consuming. That combined with the fact that poorer households are also more likely to be the ones that are overweight and are also more likely to be the ones buying cheaper own brand products its very much a double whammy.

There are some really compelling reasons as to why the 'sugar tax' is likely to work in the long term and looking at sales in £ is a flawed argument.

 

[Screeeech]

When you take into account the £/litre the 'own brand' stuff is likely to be outselling Coca Cola in volume by quite a margin. If the 'own brands' changed all their recipes (which most did so they can still hit the magic price point) it would have a huge difference to how much sugar people are consuming. That combined with the fact that poorer households are also more likely to be the ones that are overweight and are also more likely to be the ones buying cheaper own brand products its very much a double whammy.

There are some really compelling reasons as to why the 'sugar tax' is likely to work in the long term and looking at sales in £ is a flawed argument.

I'm not sure which is more flawed; the argument that the biggest prolific drinks manufacturers can simply absorb the cost of the sugar tax on the highest selling flagship products - allowing them to carry on as they did before, (essentially gelding the impact of any such tax)

OR - the argument that you can tax your way out of an obesity crisis, where taxation has never been demonstrated to be have been successful in solving a serious public health issue. It didn't work with tobacco, until after several decades and after the price got totally obscene and other measures went with it such as bans..

I don't think the sugar tax will really help in the context of how it's been designed into the legislation; For example it ignores things like orange juice, and also insane drinks such as StarBucks where some of their products contain up to 450 calories and over 50 grams of sugar - but they fall outside of the legislation because it's classed as coffee...

The only ground i'd give in the argument, is that I'd support a taxation on sugar - alongside other meaningful measures, such as the sorts of things that healthcare professionals asked the government for; most of which were targeting fast food outlets and a whole range of other things, (things like changing the planning legislation for fast food restaurants, which was a very good idea) rather than just fizzy drinks. But the government ignored most of the expert advice - and just went "we'll raise taxes on a specific thing"

 

[Deleted member 651465]

The only way it’ll ever work is to ban unhealthy snacks and drinks.

Taxing won’t work as proven with cigarettes.

 

[jpaul]

The focus on its three remaining variants seems to have paid off. Growth has mainly come from the revamped Coke Zero Sugar, which added an extra £39m to its sales - an increase of 37% on the year before to £144.2m. By contrast, sales of the larger Diet Coke (£421m) and Classic (£576.3m) variants remained relatively flat with just over £6.5m growth between them

with Classic revenue remaining constant, combine that with the reduction in volume/size and increased price, then the volume of classic on the streets has reduced by 25%, so that sounds like the right result for the obesity crisis ? (what is the projection on the sugars futures ?)

The plans will see a 1.75 litre bottle of Coke shrink to 1.5 litres and at the same time increase in price by 20p to £1.99. The price of a 500ml bottle is also increasing, from £1.09 to £1.25. The new price means the cost of a half-litre bottle will have soared 25% in a matter of months, as they were just £1 until last autumn.

 

[jpaul]

Interesting R4 programme yesterday - new one on me
so
High-Sugar Diet Causes Insulin Resistance (Not Cholesterol) Is the True Culprit in Heart Disease - interconnectedness of all things

 

[ubersonic]

Here's one showing a breakdown per actual beverage;

https://www.statista.com/statistics...united-kingdom-uk-by-convenience-sales-value/

Those stats are from 2017 before all the changes came in so not very reflective of the current situation (I.E it doesn't show the big drop in Diet Coke sales due to the launch of Coke Zero Sugar). It's also worth noting that the Red Bull bar includes all types of Red Bull (including their diet) plus it will include sales of Red Bull with Vodka in clubs.

 

[Screeeech]

We'll have to see in the next few years what happens, my prediction is the sugar tax in it's current design won't really make much difference in the obesity crisis.

One thing that's interesting, is that there's no doubt that the amount of low and zero calorie drinks being consumed has risen drastically in the last few years (that's something we can all agree on). But there doesn't seem to be any evidence that it's made any dent in the obesity problem. If sugar-laden drinks are heavily implicated in the obesity crisis - and at the same time people are moving away from them, why is the obesity problem growing in size?

There seems to be a growing number of studies that show there's no benefit to consuming low or zero calorie drinks over full sugar variants, to help with weight loss, which is pretty interesting. Some studies claim that low/zero calorie drinks make you hungrier, others claim that the hit of a sweet taste with zero calories can mess up your bodies metabolic and hormonal reactions.

https://news.yale.edu/2017/08/10/sweet-taste-not-just-calories-dictates-metabolic-response

 

[MikeTheNative]

It's probably also people thinking because they have switched to sugar free drinks they can have an extra pack of biscuits a day so back at square one.

 

[D.P.]

We'll have to see in the next few years what happens, my prediction is the sugar tax in it's current design won't really make much difference in the obesity crisis.

One thing that's interesting, is that there's no doubt that the amount of low and zero calorie drinks being consumed has risen drastically in the last few years (that's something we can all agree on). But there doesn't seem to be any evidence that it's made any dent in the obesity problem. If sugar-laden drinks are heavily implicated in the obesity crisis - and at the same time people are moving away from them, why is the obesity problem growing in size?

There seems to be a growing number of studies that show there's no benefit to consuming low or zero calorie drinks over full sugar variants, to help with weight loss, which is pretty interesting. Some studies claim that low/zero calorie drinks make you hungrier, others claim that the hit of a sweet taste with zero calories can mess up your bodies metabolic and hormonal reactions.

https://news.yale.edu/2017/08/10/sweet-taste-not-just-calories-dictates-metabolic-response

I've seen quite a few articles stating that the zero calorie drinks ten to have the same effect as the sugar drinks in terms of hormone response.

But it is far to simplistic in any case to blame obesity on high sugar diets. It is a combination of various diet factors as well as lifestyle. High sugar is really fine if you do a lot of exercise

 

[Hagar]

We'll have to see in the next few years what happens, my prediction is the sugar tax in it's current design won't really make much difference in the obesity crisis.

One thing that's interesting, is that there's no doubt that the amount of low and zero calorie drinks being consumed has risen drastically in the last few years (that's something we can all agree on). But there doesn't seem to be any evidence that it's made any dent in the obesity problem. If sugar-laden drinks are heavily implicated in the obesity crisis - and at the same time people are moving away from them, why is the obesity problem growing in size?

There seems to be a growing number of studies that show there's no benefit to consuming low or zero calorie drinks over full sugar variants, to help with weight loss, which is pretty interesting. Some studies claim that low/zero calorie drinks make you hungrier, others claim that the hit of a sweet taste with zero calories can mess up your bodies metabolic and hormonal reactions.

https://news.yale.edu/2017/08/10/sweet-taste-not-just-calories-dictates-metabolic-response

NB Primary funding for the study was provided by the National Institutes of Health and PepsiCo.

Just saying

 

[Screeeech]

But it is far to simplistic in any case to blame obesity on high sugar diets. It is a combination of various diet factors as well as lifestyle. High sugar is really fine if you do a lot of exercise

Agreed,

Eating and drinking for pleasure, as opposed simply for just sustenance is in my opinion, combined with inactivity and poor education are the primary causes. I think sugar plays a part in all of that - but mostly in the way it's used in processed foods along combined with fat, to produce products which taste incredible, contain thousands of calories and are probably addictive, or not far off.

NB Primary funding for the study was provided by the National Institutes of Health and PepsiCo.

Just saying

Nah that's a fair point, it's certainly difficult to take any study seriously when it's being bankrolled by the food industry..

 

[ubersonic]

Urrgh, now apparently the UK is experiencing a carbon dioxide shortage which has resulted in a Pepsi shortage resulting in many small stores (like my local Spar and CoOp) selling out of Pepsi Max and unable to get new deliveries, better stock up boys!

 

[Tefal]

I've seen quite a few articles stating that the zero calorie drinks ten to have the same effect as the sugar drinks in terms of hormone response.

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If that was true aspartame wpuld be a diabetes medication

 

[Guest2]

Why have some drink such as Lucozade and Iron bru had vast amounts of sugar taken out of them (29g > 11g) but coke and different variety's of coke have not?

 

[D.P.]

If that was true aspartame wpuld be a diabetes medication

Because the effects are not as predictable and repeatable, with larger variances between b people and between samples.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/261179.php

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2018/1345282/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043276013000878

etc.
The science is not settled of course.

My personal take away is I drink water in the day, beer at night.

 

[steve5424]

Why have some drink such as Lucozade and Iron bru had vast amounts of sugar taken out of them (29g > 11g) but coke and different variety's of coke have not?

It is almost all soft drinks now. Sprite, Fanta, Dr Pepper, Ribena, Tango, Lilt, Monster and Relentless.

It's all to get past the sugar tax.

Coke and Pepsi are almost the only full sugar drinks left