Bloody hell UPS pay their drivers pretty well. It's just struck me that I have no idea how much we pay our drivers, but I can tell you that we ALWAYS need drivers, and we are forever taking on slacking agency drivers and we'd rather not!
Time to get me McJob
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Ill cant tell you how much but i can tell you how some of its made up for Graham one of the local TNT drivers round here:
Mileage (anything over 120 miles on his run he gets paid extra)
Drops (anything over 50 he gets paid extra)
Hours (overtime)
and a fairly decent basic.
At the minute with Citylink as a Route controller its working out as £22,850 a year for me.
I dont have a set route, I train other drivers, asses driver routes and cover runs on sick and holidays.
Problem for me is, I cant stand driving anymore, i hate it.
Pays the bills though.
I know the manager of a mcdonalds round here, the one by country road and the new tkmaxx to those curious, he's on 45k he said, any other job than that, i wouldn't touch it 
Just keep looking, nothing is worth serving at mickey d's, have some pride, subway at least, mcdonalds makes me sick to my gut even thinking about it, the smell, yuck.
Just keep looking, nothing is worth serving at mickey d's, have some pride, subway at least, mcdonalds makes me sick to my gut even thinking about it, the smell, yuck.
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For people suggesting courses of action such as "Do volunteer work/read books/whatever for 6 months" - what sort of world do you live in
Working minimum wage doesn't provide a lavish life, and being on the JSA will cover living expenses.
What would make a person feel better - voluntary work or a McJob? Voluntary work can have a massive career potential at the end of it, and there are many professions and very desirable occupations that REQUIRE voluntary work to get into.
Also, people willing to do voluntary work for good causes are always needed, and very often worthwhile. Is a person contributing to society more by flipping burgers or being a Samaritan?
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Your idea of society seems to be wrapped in some Marxist nightmare that a financial contribution is a contribution to society. A financial contribution is a contribution to government. Voluntary work is much more likely to be a immediate contribution to society.
This is not about moral high ground. Flipping burgers benefits no-one but McDs, and the experience would not be as good as forms of voluntary work out there.
Claiming benefit does not make someone a scrounger, it means they are claiming an entitled allowance.
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Yes defo! either that or working as a barman. Ive done a lot of work in all sorts of good and bad job's but I know this for sure, working as a barman was a hell of a buzz. I worked for a whitbread pub where there were goals to aim for and you could easily work up to bar manager which I did. Also everyone said I couldnt do it so I proved em all wrong
Also the bonus was meeting a lot of people, perks of the job on wednesday nights where the staff got free drinks, free entry into a couple nightclubs in our area and meeting some really nice women
ahhh those were the days lol
Anyway m8 chinup and whatever the outcome of the mc'ds job - good luck
CBS, you really are coming over a a first class snob...
allllec, good on you for getting off you backside and wanting to do a honest days work. Speaking from experience as a hiring manager all other things being equal I'd give preference to someone who has proved they can work hard in a high pressure environment as part of a team and is prepared to graft somewhere like MacDs over some one who has decided earning an honest wage is below them and relies on benefits every time.
Trust me and the vast majority of posters here and get stuck in.
allllec, good on you for getting off you backside and wanting to do a honest days work. Speaking from experience as a hiring manager all other things being equal I'd give preference to someone who has proved they can work hard in a high pressure environment as part of a team and is prepared to graft somewhere like MacDs over some one who has decided earning an honest wage is below them and relies on benefits every time.
Trust me and the vast majority of posters here and get stuck in.
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Assuming that they are entitled to that benefit, which not all claimants are.
Besides that caveat, I'd agree with you on that point.
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If you think that then I don't think you understand what motivates my argument. It's not the idea that a person should claim benefits to avoid a job they don't like... its that taking a job whereby the person feels they are lowering themselves instead of doing voluntary work and using JSA might be better.
I'd like to shift my position slightly. I think the 'work hard in whatever job' attitude has a place. A lot of people have families and during times in Britain's history jobs were scarce... people had to work themselves to the bone and this attitude was what arose from it, it is the attitude of someone who works hard to provide.
But we're not in that time anymore, and the OP isn't in that position. Too many people take the idea that working hard doing a job they don't like as an either or, either do this or have nothing. The start to believe that they SHOULD be slaving away, and that is the very thing that keeps them in the job they dislike.
For those who are praising the McDs route - does anyone have any idea how hard social mobility is? You should put your best foot forward and start as you mean to continue. If you want a career in McDs, then get a job in McDs and work hard. But don't kid yourself that working hard in a job is all and everything you need to do to get a decent job. McDs PRAY for a stream of people like that, because they're the people who will put up with **** everyday instead of going out and getting a job they actually want. As I said, work smart not hard.
Getting into a decent career is a hard thing to do, and given the situation of the OP I think voluntary work is a very valid and valuable option at this point. Try taking time off to change career and do unpaid work a few years down the line, its a lot harder. Start off as you mean to continue.
I can tell you have nothing to do with recruitment or HR...
Claiming job seekers allowance because you won't get a job, rather than you can't get a job is scrounging. The allowance is there to help people who can't get a job, not those who for some bizarre reason think they are better than getting a job.
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I haven't worked in HR, nor would I choose to. I don't think you can 'tell' anything, and I consider resorting to such a platitude the result of an inability to counter my argument.
The term 'scrounging' has many meanings. From WHOM exactly is a JSA claimant scrounging, it is no longer our money the second the government take it from us. There would be no reduction in taxes should all JSA claimants suddently disappear. If he worked in McDs, then McDs customers would be paying his wages, so what?
If a concern is how hard he works, then surely we should be just as happy for him to do hard voluntary work...
Or is it the idea that the government have said people have to look for jobs to claim JSA, and you get personally offended on behalf of the government if you think a claimant isn't living up to that?
When the welfare state was born, it was about social revolution - it was about making a better country and ensuring that the working classes wouldn't land themselves in debt, destitution and prostitution should they fall ill, unemployed etc. etc.
It lead to an era of social mobility, and I for one am very GLAD that this spirit is alive, even if it has taken a beating at the hands of successive governments. There is no shame in claiming JSA or income support if your prime intent is to ensure that you find a profession that will make a genuine contribution to society.
Regardless of all that I'm not eligible for JSA afaik. =S
Besides, I wouldn't want to claim it. I'm not seeking a job if I'm doing voluntary work. I don't want to do voluntary work - I'm not looking for some moral high horse I'm looking for some kind of income so I don't end up homeless.
Besides, I wouldn't want to claim it. I'm not seeking a job if I'm doing voluntary work. I don't want to do voluntary work - I'm not looking for some moral high horse I'm looking for some kind of income so I don't end up homeless.
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I hated getting job allowance or dole. Don't like mixing with some of the people who sign on.
Well said.
Aye, same as I was thinking. The clue is surely in the title, that you have to be actively seeking employment.
And with voluntary stuff you shouldn't need to, with csv for example you'd get accomodation and food provided/funded, plus "pocket money".
Your claim that voluntary work (with dole claiming) would look better than having a job was the basis for making the judgement, because it really doesn't work that way in the real world.
The Taxpayer. How would taxes not drop if we stopped paying JSA?
My concern is whether the taxpayer is funding a lifestyle choice or not. Social help is there for those who need it, not those who can't be bothered or refuse to help themselves.
The welfare state was never about being able to choose to life off the state. There is no shame in having to claim JSA while you are unable to find work. There should be a lot of shame in thinking that it's a job alternative because you think you're too good to actually work.
claiming JSA when you're too snobby to take a job at McD is not right, if you can get a job you should take it, else the JSA should be stopped, you'v found a job.
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Please please give me some examples of this voluntary work so i can compare to what I believe i gained from working at McDonalds and how that has helped me get the jobs I wanted.
Social mobility.... haha Ive never heard someone actually mention that as a concern and being some sort of life goal.
Social mobility.... haha Ive never heard someone actually mention that as a concern and being some sort of life goal.