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TitanZ: delayed indefinitely?

AlamoX said:
so here is how i see it.
nvidia need few thing starting with :
1-claim back fastest single card title ( wont be easy at all, if they fail thats a probleme, so canceling it is still wiser imo)
2-avoid watercooling, to not be perceived as copying of AMD ( not being able to keep frequency stable, temp and noise in check, with ppl focusing on these issues, most titanz sites will warm up the cards before benching unless bribed i guess xD)
3-adjust the price to avoid the counter AMD PR with the hashtag #2betterthan1, so the price need to drop far enough to make it difficult for AMD to hold the Ratio 1/2 to avoid the AMD counter PR on Titan Z launch.

honestly i think canceling it would be wiser, live to fight another day, wouldn't feel as bad as if they launch it and fails against the 295.
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Isn't this being targeted as a compute card though, for designers etc that need compute that can also run games but more attractive than typical Tesla card?

The way I see it is if it doesn't beat AMD's dual card on gaming but comes close using only air and running on less power it's not a defeat as Nvidia can simply say it's a compute orientated card, which it is. Then later if they really wanted can launch a dual gaming GPU to target 290x2's gaming performance.

Either way it's no bother to Nvidia they will most likey shift Titan Z and a more typical gaming dual card as well. These cards are the last hurrah before moving onto 20nm. I doubt AMD / Nvidia will sell many anyway tbh. Any they can sell is icing on the cake at the end of 28nm...

£1200 for the AMD card is also a ridiculous price tag. $3000 for the Nvidia card more so. I really doubt many of either will be sold.
 
ubersonic said:
The 295x2 cooler was designed/manufactured by Asetek originally for use on the ASUS ARES HD7990, it's a doubled up version of the one Asetek made for use on PNY's AIO cooled GTX580 and GTX680 cards, all AMD did was call Asetek and ask them to make a cheaper version of the ARES one with a smaller rad, Nvidia could easily call them too.
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lol i didnt say AMD invented the WAIO cooling, but when you announce the product and show it to ppl, then delay and change the design to do like your competitor that's really not good for the name brand, especialy if you are perceived as a leader on the market.
 
Gibbo, when you say you have stock, does that mean you physically have the cards, or you simply have an order waiting to be fulfilled by your supplier?

Apologies if this has already been asked/ answered.
 
Boomstick777 said:
Isn't this being targeted as a compute card though, for designers etc that need compute that can also run games but more attractive than typical Tesla card?
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I can't understand why people keep saying this? If i didn't know any better i'd swear some here were in denial ;)

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/announcing-the-geforce-gtx-titan-z
Ultimate Power. The new GeForce GTX TITAN Z
By Romeo Lavarias on Tue, Mar 25 2014 Hardware, Videos
ULTIMATE POWER
Two GPUs, One Insane Graphics Card: Introducing the GeForce GTX TITAN Z.



GeForce GTX TITAN Z is a gaming monster, built to power the most extreme gaming rigs on the planet. With a massive 5760 cores and 12 GB of 7 Gbps GDDR5 memory, TITAN Z gives you truly amazing performance—easily making it the fastest graphics card we’ve ever made.

This is a serious card built for serious gamers. TITAN Z is designed with the highest-grade components to deliver the best experience – incredible speed and cool, quiet performance—all in a stunningly crafted aluminum case.


If you’re looking for the ultimate in gaming power, GeForce GTX TITAN Z is your card. Arriving April
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Even during the Titan Z unveiling the second, I mean literally the second they said $3000 the Nvidia guys were screaming it wasn't targeted at gaming.

Despite them showing Unreal 4 engine demo, then announcing the titan Z, then saying this engine made them make the Titan Z and spoke about it's gaming power, carries the dedicated gaming branding of GeForce, but as soon as the insane and embarrassing price was announced it was aimed at compute only according to certain people.

Much like the Titan was... with 99% of Titan owners on this forum buying them mostly for compute and not at all for gaming. Has anyone on these forums who bought a Titan ever run any compute only programs on it or do they all either benchmark or play games?
 
Boomstick777 said:
Isn't this being targeted as a compute card though, for designers etc that need compute that can also run games but more attractive than typical Tesla card?

The way I see it is if it doesn't beat AMD's dual card on gaming but comes close using only air and running on less power it's not a defeat as Nvidia can simply say it's a compute orientated card, which it is. Then later if they really wanted can launch a dual gaming GPU to target 290x2's gaming performance.

Either way it's no bother to Nvidia they will most likey shift Titan Z and a more typical gaming dual card as well. These cards are the last hurrah before moving onto 20nm. I doubt AMD / Nvidia will sell many anyway tbh. Any they can sell is icing on the cake at the end of 28nm...

£1200 for the AMD card is also a ridiculous price tag. $3000 for the Nvidia card more so. I really doubt many of either will be sold.
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i guess everything is possible, this is why it's making this fun for me, i dont see a simple way out for Nvidia, and looking forward to see what they will do.
personaly i never saw the Titans as a Pro card, yes it has double precision, but it's still way less powerful than FirePro, and lack of premium support, and pro drivers, i see the titans more as a failed attempt at a luxury Gpu Brand like what Asus does with Rog, the only difference here, is that i see value on Rog products, craftsmanship, mats, quality, everything adds up for a spicy price and you still can see the value added, thing i failed to see in every turn on the Titans, Nvidia almost succeeded though, Titan had good couple of months, with an agressive PR top quality perf..blabla. untill AMD pooped all over their Dreams with the Hawaii GPU, forcing Nvidia to bring 780Ti, a lot faster and cheaper than Titans, from then it started failing because everyone realised there is no real value added, just fat margins.
they still need to strip the Titan from Gforce GTX branding, before this hurts them, or just give up on luxury brand.
well there is still another 6-8 months before 20nm Gpus, that is still a lot of icing, this is basicly the best time for bi-gpu, since everyone seem to have a delay on 20nm Gpu/Cpu production.

1500$ for 295, thanks to Nvidia for announcing Titan Z at 3000$, gave plenty of room for AMD to push up the price waiting for Nvidia's reply before adjusting it down, as i said i dont see any probleme AMD knocking off 500$ on the 295, if nvidia announce bi-gpu for 2000$
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Much like the Titan was... with 99% of Titan owners on this forum buying them mostly for compute and not at all for gaming. Has anyone on these forums who bought a Titan ever run any compute only programs on it or do they all either benchmark or play games?
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Games only.

As a compute card the Titan is a poor second and if I was into compute cards I would get some that did the job well.
 
AlamoX said:
i guess everything is possible, this is why it's making this fun for me, i dont see a simple way out for Nvidia, and looking forward to see what they will do.
personaly i never saw the Titans as a Pro card, yes it has double precision, but it's still way less powerful than FirePro, and lack of premium support, and pro drivers, i see the titans more as a failed attempt at a luxury Gpu Brand like what Asus does with Rog, the only difference here, is that i see value on Rog products, craftsmanship, mats, quality, everything adds up for a spicy price and you still can see the value added, thing i failed to see in every turn on the Titans, Nvidia almost succeeded though, Titan had good couple of months, with an agressive PR top quality perf..blabla. untill AMD pooped all over their Dreams with the Hawaii GPU, forcing Nvidia to bring 780Ti, a lot faster and cheaper than Titans, from then it started failing because everyone realised there is no real value added, just fat margins.
they still need to strip the Titan from Gforce GTX branding, before this hurts them, or just give up on luxury brand.
well there is still another 6-8 months before 20nm Gpus, that is still a lot of icing, this is basicly the best time for bi-gpu, since everyone seem to have a delay on 20nm Gpu/Cpu production.

1500$ for 295, thanks to Nvidia for announcing Titan Z at 3000$, gave plenty of room for AMD to push up the price waiting for Nvidia's reply before adjusting it down, as i said i dont see any probleme AMD knocking off 500$ on the 295, if nvidia announce bi-gpu for 2000$
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If I had a choice between a couple of 295X2s or 4 Titan blacks at current pricing, I would go for the Titan Blacks every time.
 
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