Today's mass shooting in the US

[Craterloads]

Another one, really?!

In before 5 page "debate" staring champion dowie vs numerous contenders!

 

[stockhausen]

. . .
Its like blaming random Islamic leaders for Islamist attacks.
. . .

Unfortunately Agent Orange isn't a "random" American leader, he is the President.
He is just as culpable as Osama Bin Laden was.

I am (un)surprised that you can't spot the similarity

 

[easyrider]

Another great argument.

You can’t argue with a Madman...

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

He drove hours to a border state full of Latinos and regurgitated racist bile that the scummy president spewed before slaughtering immigrants.
Yet you claim it has nothing to do with trump, you are either very simple or being disingenuous ? Take your pick

 

[dowie]

Trump has intentionally sewn racism in America and used dehumanising language to describe immigrants, which feeds mass shooters.

You could say the same about various Islamic leaders and how they talk about the west etc...

(note I'm not talking about extremists who actively call for or justify terror attacks).

People who are critical of Western foreign policy or Western values are not to blame for Islamist attacks just as right wing politicians who are anti immigration are not to blame for white supremacist attacks. If you're going to hold the likes of Trump responsible for this then that is equivalent to holding various conservative Islamic leaders responsible for Islamic attacks.

Criticising Western foreign policy is a legitimate position, being anti immigration is a legitimate position.

 

[dowie]

He drove hours to a border state full of Latinos and regurgitated racist bile that the scummy president spewed before slaughtering immigrants.
Yet you claim it has nothing to do with trump, you are either very simple or being disingenuous ? Take your pick

You can make the same argument about conservative Islam in general... plenty of Islamist attackers regurgitate stuff from the Koran, see their victims as "infidels" etc... I suspect you'd have a double standard there though.

It is incorrect to do so in either case IMO.

 

[Felon]

Well I hope you have the balls to tell them what you really think about them when you move there, I don't imagine you will though

It's a topic of conversation that comes up all the time, as individuals they're mostly decent people, however as a society things are deeply broken and American society in general is very unhappy and very angry.

Most are aware of how ridiculous their behavior is to outsiders, and the outside world in general - they're totally aware that they have very serious problems that need solving. But these problems are not for individuals to solve, they're complex societal problems that need serious solutions, and that's going to be very difficult to get when you have a society that's geared solely around making money.

For example, look at how the NRA has basically purchased (with pure cash) control of US senators, so that they can control and push their own agendas that suit them, rather than the interests of society. Most Americans want common sense gun legislation, but they're prevented because the NRA pay money to prevent it from happening - which I think most people will agree is a very broken and dysfunctional way to run things.

Essentially; rather than argue and debate on how things should operate - merely pay money to stop any opposing viewpoint from even being heard, let alone argued.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Trump criticises the London mayor for knife crime while doing nothing about mass shootings in his own country. The hypocrisy of the man. Newsnight reported there were 245 mass shootings in the US this year so far. 246 with the latest one.

 

[easyrider]

You could say the same about various Islamic leaders and how they talk about the west etc...

(note I'm not talking about extremists who actively call for or justify terror attacks).

People who are critical of Western foreign policy or Western values are not to blame for Islamist attacks just as right wing politicians who are anti immigration are not to blame for white supremacist attacks. If you're going to hold the likes of Trump responsible for this then that is equivalent to holding various conservative Islamic leaders responsible for Islamic attacks.

Criticising Western foreign policy is a legitimate position, being anti immigration is a legitimate position.

Is doing derogatory impressions of disabled people a legitimate position?

 

[dowie]

Is doing derogatory impressions of disabled people a legitimate position?

Why quote me if you're incapable of arguing against what I'm saying?

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Great whataboutism's about Islam
The fact you are talking about Islam at the moment speaks volumes about you.

 

[dowie]

Great whataboutism's about Islam
The fact you are talking about Islam at the moment speaks volumes about you.

Islam was brought into the thread already and not by me.

The fact that your response to my arguments is just to reply with ad hominem attacks speaks volumes about you too.

 

[Roar87]

Well you judge Muslims the same way so why shouldn't he judge Americans like that.

Oh we're back to me disagreeing with the ideological teachings of Islam being twisted into me attacking Muslims as individuals. Good one. Maybe just don't debate if you can't understand nuanced points.

 

[easyrider]

Why quote me if you're incapable of arguing against what I'm saying?

Why quote me if you can’t answer my simple question?

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Islam was brought into the thread already and not by me.

The fact that your response to my arguments is just to reply with ad hominem attacks speaks volumes about you too.

It does, that I hate racists and racist apologists..

 

[dowie]

Why quote me if you can’t answer my simple question?

These are your replies to me so far:

Oh dear

Dude, stop now....please....you’re making a fool of yourself.

You can’t argue with a Madman...

Is doing derogatory impressions of disabled people a legitimate position?

I'm not sure what impressions of disabled people has to do with the thread, it isn't any sort of position as far as I'm aware.

 

[dowie]

It does, that I hate racists and racist apologists..

Good for you, what does that have to do with my posts?

You're the one with the history of posting racist material no?

 

[easyrider]

These are your replies to me so far:
I'm not sure what impressions of disabled people has to do with the thread, it isn't any sort of position as far as I'm aware.

You are basically saying that trump has nothing to do with divisions being reinforced and amplified in America?

Yes?

 

[easyrider]

 

[dowie]

You are basically saying that trump has nothing to do with divisions being reinforced and amplified in America?

Yes?

No, I've said what is contained in my posts. Do you want to try again? You've had a few unsuccessful attempts so far.