Today's mass shooting in the US

From one of his speeches in 2016:

These aren't people. These are animals."

"California's law provides safe harbor to some of the most vicious and violent offenders on Earth, like MS-13 gang members putting innocent men, women, and children at the mercy of these sadistic criminals,"

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," “They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Jesus Christ why are you making me defend trump? All id want is Truth to not be tossed away and misquoting used as fuel to stir up hate.
 
Yeah like I said:



And that is what you've just confirmed:
But they’re not ‘sending’ anyone and the overwhelming majority are seeking a better life. There’s more crime committed by Americans than immigrants by a massive number. If you’re in illegal immigrant you don’t want to commit a crime as you’re more likely to be arrested and deported than if you stay under the radar.
 
But they’re not ‘sending’ anyone and the overwhelming majority are seeking a better life. There’s more crime committed by Americans than immigrants by a massive number. If you’re in illegal immigrant you don’t want to commit a crime as you’re more likely to be arrested and deported than if you stay under the radar.

So what? (you might well be conflating immigrants in general and illegal immigrants there tbh... but I'm not sure what the relevance is here regardless?)

Disagreement with Trump's views on immigration or on the threat posed by the likes of M13 gang members etc... doesn't imply that Trump is to blame for this mass shooting.
 
So representing the truth is wrong now? Truth is wrong. Ok. Miss quoting and not listening to each other is the best way to solve a dispute. True colours lol.
Concentration camps on the borders right? Mass extermination of migrants right?
There is no hope for some of you. I dont think reality registers with your brain.
 
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But they’re not ‘sending’ anyone and the overwhelming majority are seeking a better life. There’s more crime committed by Americans than immigrants by a massive number. If you’re in illegal immigrant you don’t want to commit a crime as you’re more likely to be arrested and deported than if you stay under the radar.

Cite your source? IIRC there is no universal statistics for crimes committed by illegal immigrants. But that is a flimsy defence on why they WOULDN'T commit crime, if there is no record of them even existing in the country - LEA wouldn't even know who to look for in the first place.
 
So what? (you might well be conflating immigrants in general and illegal immigrants there tbh... but I'm not sure what the relevance is here regardless?)

Disagreement with Trump's views on immigration or on the threat posed by the likes of M13 gang members etc... doesn't imply that Trump is to blame for this mass shooting.

There's a wide berth between "to blame" and "contributory blame", advancing as such for the level of connection the person has with others.

Nobody is directly blaming Trump for causing this mass shooting, but there's certainly a significant chunk of contribution his rhetoric has had, whether or not he's smart enough is irrelevant as well.

You call people vermin, scum, rapists, murderers... others might agree with the sentiment, regardless of the facts and act on them.

Dehumanisation is a very obvious thing, and the president of the US with a rather unusual amount of connection to others might just have an effect on people's actions.
 
Its a terrible day when you have to defend Trump but please research all the cliche quotes that are often misquoted.
Many out of context and truncated to mean a whole different thing.
The guy does say a ton of idiotic, short sighted stuff, but so much is reappropriated to push agendas by both sides. People should listen to each other.

Are you expecting him to just get up on stage and say that he hates blacks, is a massive racist and wished he was part of the KKK? Life isn't that simple unfortunately.

When will it register with some people that he is a man with massive ingrained racial prejudices and has white supremacist tendencies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

The man is a racist and he has done nothing but stir the pot of deeply seated racism in America since being in office.

To think otherwise is to be wilfully ignorant of everything he has ever said or done.
 
^^^ that conflates legit criticism of him with the out of context stuff.

And frankly Haiti is a **** hole country!

Regardless, having racially discriminated against African Americans over housing in the 70s != shares blame for mass shooting of Mexican immigrants yesterday.
 
Honestly, what dowie said.

I get you dont like Trump, I don't like him because he is too erratic and far too knee jerk on matters of world economics. He isn't a good president he is way too hands on and hes a narcissistic fool.
What ever though, I don't think any of us are US Voters so what are you gonna do?
Moan at each others irrelevant opinions, see our pension funds shrink away and watch America socially implode till 2020.
 
I've said before i couldn't give a **** how many Americans decide to shoot each other over nonsense that plays no role in my european life.
Should have allowed him to build the stupid wall and maybe their would be a few less dead. All the nutjobs might have been appeased.

Cool dude being allowed to post white nationalist appeasement on these forums.
 
So representing the truth is wrong now? Truth is wrong. Ok. Miss quoting and not listening to each other is the best way to solve a dispute. True colours lol.
Concentration camps on the borders right? Mass extermination of migrants right?
There is no hope for some of you. I dont think reality registers with your brain.

Shush don`t mention Palestine if you want to talk about truth....
 
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