Today's mass shooting in the US

wesimmo said:
Are you not classing "Only in the Pan Handle." as a joke?

It wasn't a joke, it was a stupid thing for the POTUS to say, but he meant it as a joke.
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The audience member made the comment about shooting people crossing the border, the audience laughed at the deliberately inappropriate comment, Trump acknowledged it with a jokey reply.

Neither the audience member of Trump is advocating mass shootings of brown people within the US. Trump specifically stated his opposition to using weapons (implying lethal force) at the border and an audience member replied with... well what you've seen. Even if the audience member legitimately did believe that border security should shoot people they spot attempting to cross illegally that still doesn't imply support for a random mass shooting within the US!
 
Jono8 said:
He said only in the pan handle can you get away with that statement. He is joking that only in Floridacan you get away with saying that. He us making light of it.

He should have immediately condemned it. Not lapped up the applause and adulation of making light of it.

He has plenty of opportunities to shut down the abhorrent and racist stuff his supporters come out with but he doesnt. He just stands there smiling and basking in it all.
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Yes he is making light of it. It isn't inherently racist to joke about shooting people trying to cross the border, in fact I'd argue it isn't inherently racist to actually advocate for that. I'd disagree with it, but it has nothing to do with someone wanting to go on a murder spree within the US.
 
Shouldn't you guys be eating roasts and chilling on the couch? You do know that all this bickering is going to be forgotten by tomorrow and that you're achieving absolutely nothing, right?
 
Jono8 said:
This line is quickly becoming all the rage on this forum.:D
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Well there are plenty of people on here who equate pointing out when criticism is flawed/blatantly wrong with supporting him. It shouldn't be necessary but it is occasionally useful to point that out to the simple minded posters... not that that stops all of them from ranting regardless because anything has been said that isn't outright criticism of him whether based in truth or not.

Diddums said:
Shouldn't you guys be eating roasts and chilling on the couch? You do know that all this bickering is going to be forgotten by tomorrow and that you're achieving absolutely nothing, right?
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Everyone has a hobby :)
 
dowie said:
Yes he is making light of it. It isn't inherently racist to joke about shooting people trying to cross the border, in fact I'd argue it isn't inherently racist to actually advocate for that. I'd disagree with it, but it has nothing to do with someone wanting to go on a murder spree within the US.
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I didn't say this one was (I said racist and abhorrent)

It is however abhorrent, especially with the head of state laughing along. It also backs up the point regarding the demonetisation of immigrants (illegal or otherwise).
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1158055822662017025

No effect whatsoever?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...estic-terrorism-threat-official-idUSKCN1ST2P1

Arrests related to domestic terrorism in the current fiscal year, which began on Oct. 1, are at 66, exceeding international terrorism arrests, now at 63.

Terrorism cases are “the FBI’s number one priority,” the FBI official said, noting that every one of the bureau’s U.S. field offices is affiliated with a local “joint terrorism task force” involving both federal and local law enforcement agencies.

While militants linked to international terrorism can be prosecuted under U.S. federal laws introduced after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on Washington and New York City, no similar federal laws cover domestic terrorism.

Recent violent extremist attacks in the United States include the killing of 11 people at a synagogue in Pittsburgh last October and a shooting in Kansas in 2017 when an Indian immigrant was killed by an assailant who thought the victim was Middle Eastern.
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Given the availability of radical messages in cyberspace, the official said, “homegrown violent extremists” - those inspired by foreign movements like Islamic State - now can become self radicalized in just months.
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MONTHS, anything particularly important happen in the last dozen or so months?
 
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Lets not forget his full page advert asking for the death penalty for the Central Park 5. Even after they were acquitted he still refuses to apologise or admit they are innocent. He was asked just a few weeks ago and he said he thinks they were guilty. If he took a similar stand with white people our was vocally condemning the white terrorists that are committing these attacks he might not look as racist but he doesn't.
 
He has had white supremacist supporting white house staff and said the Nazi's who marched at Charlottesville had fine people amongst them.... but the racism apologists on this forum don't want to confront their own disgusting opinions.
 
I've changed my opinion now guys, you've convinced me that because Trump supported the convictions of the Central Park 5 in the 80s and said something about some people on a march where neo-nazis were present then he's clearly to blame for the shooting.

I'm glad that clear arguments were presented and people weren't just randomly throwing in irrelevant general criticism of Trump.
 
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dowie said:
I've changed my opinion now guys, you've convinced me that because Trump supported the convictions of the Central Park 5 in the 80s and said something about some people on a march where neo-nazis were present then he's clearly to blame for the shooting.

I'm glad that clear arguments were presented and people weren't just randomly throwing in irrelevant general criticism of Trump.
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no one has said he’s directly to blame for the shooting, but even the most rabid supporter can see how his rhetoric and the things he says stokes those who have far right beliefs?
 
hurfdurf said:
We need more anti-fa

https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/1157442803611426817?s=21

They are being labeled terrorists not because of the threat to the public, but because of the threat to racists.
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Hurf incites violence only these very forums and promotes a group known to use terror tactics.

Nobody should take this person seriously....



hurfdurf said:
im just familiar with hating nazi's and nazi sympathisers, and if the kind of posters who I quoted are upset that the show is being protested, then that's who the anti fash are there to target. If they are not Nazi sympathisers, then I am sure a statement will come forth soon and anyone at their concerts or expressing nazi views whilst supporting them will be quickly dealt with by people who justifiably hate nazi's, and hate that they are trying to take over their bands fan base.
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Of course Hurf's defintion of what consistutes a 'nazi' or a 'nazi sympathiser' is rather broad and hazy....
 
jsmoke said:
Apparently the ohio shooter killed his own sister. Sad stuff.
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His own sister? That is pretty sad/messed up(I mean obviously all mass murders are, but just additionally so when it is someone murdering their own family). So I guess this second shooter isn't a white supremacist then.

It must be Trump's attitude towards women that is to blame for this one.
 
Ohio gunman was killed by police within one minute of him opening fire. In that time he had killed 9 people and injured 27 others.

I don't really know what needs to happen before they address the issue of publicly owned, high capacity assault riffles, there's simply no reason for them to be owned and stored outside of gun clubs / rifle ranges.

America gets what America wants.
 
dowie said:
His own sister? That is pretty sad/messed up(I mean obviously all mass murders are, but just additionally so when it is someone murdering their own family). So I guess this second shooter isn't a white supremacist then.

It must be Trump's attitude towards women that is to blame for this one.
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Were you not anti trump?
 
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