He might be, he's still demonstrably wrong though.
Today's mass shooting in the US
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He might be, he's still demonstrably wrong though.
Sure... I'm the one being deliberately antagonistic by just laying out my opinion(s) and backing them up... people quoting me and implying I'm stupid or a racist or a Trump apologist are just having a civilised conversation where they're totally open to people have different views/opinions etc...
As for the rapists, murderers etc.. he was referring to MS-13 gang members, plenty of them are murderers, you've again deliberately taken a statement out of context, after already doing so earlier in the thread and being called out on it.
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Pretty much - exceptions aside most normal well balanced people don't suddenly carry out something like this.
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Caporegime
I agree. I'm using a pretty wide brush here but my view is that there is a conflict between your general views and his specifty to this point; they don't always play nicely.
TBH I'd be more inclined to agree with you most times.
But Trump is too dangerous too ignore.
And it's Dowie, he'd argue the point if someone said crimson and meant red to debunk their entire argument. It's no coincidence that it's always him and A N Other in this sort of exchange.
Caporegime
Dowie does specifity. Is he wrong to do that? Most people would say no. It bugs the **** out of me on a personal level but he's coming - I think - from a good place most of the time.
fake e: not dowie's alt
Trump is dangerous because he says 5 million people illegally moving to America by breaking through the border is an invasion and citing the fact that their country of origin has a horrendous record on murder and crime is dehumanising. Orange man bad >:|
In your opinion specifically what is it about Trump which is too dangerous to ignore? What should be done about it if he can't be ignored? Who should take that action?
Well you're seemingly more interested in ad hominem attacks now than actual arguments... you claimed a few posts back that I'm "demonstrably wrong" yet if you look at my previous post above I'm yet again responding to someone who actually is demonstrably wrong by literally demonstrating/pointing out where they're wrong... after already having done so earlier in the thread regarding the same attempt to take some quote out of context.
As for me often having these arguments, sure I'm not afraid to back up my opinions especially when people quote me to either misrepresent what I've said or to present weak arguments that are based on either ignoring what I've actually said, or presenting something factually incorrect or indeed just throwing out some emotional response because they don't like the opinion presented.
His complete denial of climate change.
His continual attacks on anybody who is different to him.
His continual lies.
His continual abuse of his position to benefit himself.
His continued deliberate or ignorant statements around, for example, tariffs.
His continued bowing to dictators.
His reneging on deals made in good faith.
His racist past and present.
That he associates with mainly criminals.
Ok. So what about parts two and three of my question? Who should take action and what should that action be?
Here's Sanders making the dumb dumb Trump defenders look stupid by pointing out the obvious.
Caporegime
Trump said:
Can you show me where in that clip or in that statement he mentions gangs or MS-13? I've tried to find the full transcripts, but have only the above to go on.
Caporegime
Connor Betts the Ohio shooter now identified.
Motive still unapparent.
Seemed like an everyday 20 something.
Dead end jobs, into anime, computers. Shunned at highschool. Could be anyone of you guys.
Will be interesting to know what snapped this one. Call of duty I guess, maybe jorden Peterson? Deffo Trump. Maybe a lack of a perceived future? Who knows.
Motive still unapparent.
Seemed like an everyday 20 something.
Dead end jobs, into anime, computers. Shunned at highschool. Could be anyone of you guys.
Will be interesting to know what snapped this one. Call of duty I guess, maybe jorden Peterson? Deffo Trump. Maybe a lack of a perceived future? Who knows.
I'm guessing a girl is involved.
Caporegime
Could be. I'm so glad to not be American.
I had a school friend that moved to the US.
He's always posting pics on Facebook of new shotguns and handguns he's bought.
He's really proud of his semi-automatic ak rifle clones.
I can't even blame him. If I lived in a society with that many guns, I'd certainly be wanting my own.
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Caporegime
He drives to the district with his sister, they split up, she going to the bar that was the scene of the shooting and meeting a BF, he got all of his call of duty LARP gear on, walks to the bar and starts executing people outside..... Inc his sister.
Now is this an horrific coincidence or part of the motive? Want to shoot your sister? Ok sure? But why do it like that killing untold random people too.
Now is this an horrific coincidence or part of the motive? Want to shoot your sister? Ok sure? But why do it like that killing untold random people too.
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Well it definitely wasn't trump or Jordan Peterson. He was a self professed socialist, democrat and big supporter of Bernie and Elizabeth Warren.