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Today's mass shooting in the US
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I don't understand your question?
Soldato
He killed his sister and another male at the car.
Police killed it before he got through the main door to where he was going.
Caporegime
I read a totally different account. I'll read again later.
Well deuse has a tenuous grasp on reality at the best of times, so....
The updated report from Reuters seems to confirm what you posted.
So the companion wasn't even killed, let alone first at the car.
Caporegime
Well it's early days. Truth will come.
Soldato
Looks like I was wrong.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-05/ohio-shooter-connor-betts-killed-his-sister/11383056
The video is very graphic of the gun man.
Well it would help if people stopped normalising and defending him and called him out as the odious PoS that he is.
Ideally someone would go on a rampage in America and shoot the right person.
Only a half wit like you would try and tar all Muslims as terrorists in a thread about a white nationalist shooting the place up.
Muslims = Americans = Normal people in the majority.
Abu Hamza = Trump = Hate preacher.
People who kill while quoting a hate preacher = terrorists.
This is pure gold.
What about people who kill and specify that Trump is not to be blamed?
Every where I look people are calling Trump out as this. I'm not sure why you're not seeing it.
That sounds suspiciously like you are calling for violence against him and potential regime change... yet you are calling him out as being odeous.
I'm not sure what your point is?
Has anybody aside from Dowie and some others in here making straw man arguments suggested every mass shooter is down to Trump? No.
Does the fact that other people shoot people automatically mean that Trump cannot have inspired some people to commit mass murder? No.
Are some Muslims murderous idiots? Yes.
Are some Americans murderous idiots. Yes.
Should people be allowed to encourage either of those groups of idiots. No.
Yet there are still people defending him, like in this thread.
Odd, isn't it, how you see my words as being odious when I attack one specific person for very specific reasons but Trump can still be defended as telling it how it is when he tries to dehumanise entire countries with his bigotry.
Really?
Sounds you would encourage somebody to shoot Trump. So your denouncing mass shooters and people who encourage them, but you would welcome someone shooting Trump?
I think it's overly simplistic to blame these mass shootings on Donald Trump, people seem to have forgotten the total carnage that unfolded under Obama's watch. Donald Trump is part of a much larger problem, which involves so many layers of society, in that he's helped to create this intense, angry overly-reactive society where people go off at the drop of a hat, but Donald Trump himself I don't feel is solely to blame.
Although, if I could point my finger at one thing and change it, it would be the media. From everything I've seen, I'm convinced that the frankly insane, hyper-aggressive saturation of 'doom-and-gloom' news, that's force fed into the eyes and ears of Americans, has damaged large swathes of the population subconsciously, I think it makes people ill in ways we don't yet understand.
This is especially relevant with mass shootings, each time one occurs - amid the saturation news coverage, quite often a second or third shooting will take place in quick succession Almost as though the news of one shooting, is enough to tip someone else over the edge. It's as though you've got a large number of unknown people going about their business, who are actually highly unstable and are ready to go off without a moments notice, all they need is a trigger.
I see it as a vicious cycle, that's built up very slowly over several decades - but unfortunately there's so much money being made in this cycle, the media probably make as much money from a large mass-shooting as a PPV sports event, so I don't imagine they'll be subjected to any sort of legislation anytime soon.
Although, if I could point my finger at one thing and change it, it would be the media. From everything I've seen, I'm convinced that the frankly insane, hyper-aggressive saturation of 'doom-and-gloom' news, that's force fed into the eyes and ears of Americans, has damaged large swathes of the population subconsciously, I think it makes people ill in ways we don't yet understand.
This is especially relevant with mass shootings, each time one occurs - amid the saturation news coverage, quite often a second or third shooting will take place in quick succession Almost as though the news of one shooting, is enough to tip someone else over the edge. It's as though you've got a large number of unknown people going about their business, who are actually highly unstable and are ready to go off without a moments notice, all they need is a trigger.
I see it as a vicious cycle, that's built up very slowly over several decades - but unfortunately there's so much money being made in this cycle, the media probably make as much money from a large mass-shooting as a PPV sports event, so I don't imagine they'll be subjected to any sort of legislation anytime soon.
Are you saying that your opinion of him is correct and other peoples opinion of him is incorrect? If that is the case then how do you justify being able to assert that someone elses personal opinion should only be one that you agree with?
Soldato
The Bowling for Columbine film had a bit about this - how the news in the US (probably elsewhere too) turn horrible events into spectacles to be churned out hour after hour - putting viewers into a constant state of fear. But I guess it sells, it keeps their numbers and ratings up - like Marylin Manson says in The Nobodies.
I'm of the opinion that these shooters shouldn't get more than a token mention - rather that the roundabout glorification they seem to be given by the news; but the double edge of that sword, is that it might be seen as disrespectful of those who were killed - if the news didn't cover them. Catch 22 I guess - but sadly, I expect copycats will love the infamy.
A who is
Yes, in this case, my opinion of Trump is correct. Every one of those things I listed that lead me to that conclusion is documented.
More generally though, I judge people's opinions on whether they are factually based, not whether they agree with me or my current understanding of a situation.
Yes, in this case, my opinion of Trump is correct. Every one of those things I listed that lead me to that conclusion is documented.
More generally though, I judge people's opinions on whether they are factually based, not whether they agree with me or my current understanding of a situation.
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Odd that the ready availability of automatic weapons doesn't get a look-in in your analysis - odd that
Incidentally, I do think that it is kinda naive to ignore the impact of Agent Orange's relentless vilification of Hispanics and foreigners in general . . . I wonder how his first and third wives feel about that . . .