Today's mass shooting in the US
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He probably had Trump derangement syndrome like a few people on here, just couldn't accept that Trump will win 2020 because frankly, the Democrats have no platform other than free stuff to all illegals. Basically abandoning Blacks who have record employment under Trump and now chasing the votes of their caravans of illegal immigrants and people wonder why they don't want a wall.
The level of hysteria on the left is mindblowing, Trump criticises Baltimore as rat infested and the left lose it even though Bernie Sanders is on film calling it "like a third world country" and they're calling Trump racist even though you've got black people who actually live in Baltimore thanking him for highlighting what they have had to live with. It's all just propaganda from the Democrats and media at this point.
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He doesn't in that clip, I'm not sure what that has to do with the other post, you seem to be conflating unrelated things here. That clip is posted to highlight a dubious joke made by an audience member.
You've then quoted my reply to another poster who has misrepresented what Trump has said in reference to supposedly labelling all immigrants murderers etc.. when he knows otherwise, see this post by that poster:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32923059/
or indeed this, where (one of) the quotes he used came from
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...-trump-california-sanctuary-state-roundtable/
That certainly explains some of the mentality here from this poster and a few others, the idea that other options exist is something that they can't deal with because their opinion is the right one.
I mean you can state that facts are correct or opinions that contain facts are wrong, though I've seemingly had multiple people quote me presenting rather dubious facts.
The idea that Trump shares blame for this shooting and everyone else who doesn't agree is a Trump apologist is frankly ridiculous.
Nope, just responding to exactly what you are posting
I can't see where Misschief is saying Trump is labelling all immigrants murderers in that post?
You seem to be getting confused yourself
Odd that the ready availability of automatic weapons doesn't get a look-in in your analysis - odd that
To be fair, I've talked a lot about firearms in previous posts.
To outline my position; I'm essentially 'pro-gun' with the correct controls in place, which would amount to common-sense laws, not the nonsense currently occurring in the US, where it's ten times harder to buy nasal decongestant, than it is to buy a gun.
I don't believe that it's reasonable for weapons such as (in the case of Texas) AK-47's to be made available to the general public, because the amount of firepower and the capability in terms of the amount of death is can dispense, is ridiculous and unnecessary for a civilian. It's useless for personal defense (who walks around with an AK) and there are far better and sensible weapons for hunting. I would go as far as to allow weapons such as AK-47's to be available subject to very strict controls.
That said, I don't believe banning these weapons would address the root-cause of the problem, a general ban or crackdown on some types (such as assault-style weapons) would have some impact, but I believe the driving force behind these 'grievance killings' is rooted deep into the fabric of society that America has created, it's certainly not going to be solved quickly.
If we look at Donald Trump and ask; 'did his words trigger some lunatic to go on a killing spree?'
I can't possibly answer it with any accuracy, but I don't think Donald Trump can be held solely responsible here, not because he words aren't harmful (because I think they probably are). But I think American society has created people, which are overly receptive to words spoken by people like Donald Trump.
It feels as though regular people in a society, have subconsciously had ten-bells beaten out of them by the media, by politicians, by social-media, all the time held captive inside a 'money-is-everything promised land', to the point where they become emotionally fragile and angry. At this point - all it takes is somebody saying or doing the wrong thing, or something on the news, that can send them over the edge and result in carnage.
In the final analysis, I would go as far as to say that people like Donald Trump could perhaps be a contributing factor, but the root cause behind this problem of mass-shootings, is a lot more complex than banning guns, or the result of some abrasive words spoken by the president.
I honestly see it as one of the biggest Elephants in the room with mass shootings, it's something that none of the legislators even dare want to confront. The news companies have serious amounts of money, trying to restrict them in any way whatsoever, or eat into their revenues in any way at all, is a battle that today's politicians wouldn't even entertain for a second.
Especially when you consider how easily politicians can be 'purchased' it wouldn't take much money (comparatively) for the American media to own them all (if they don't already)
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Of course Trump can't be held soley responsible.
Only the shooters can be held soley responsible for their actions. However, when people cite things that their own President has been talking about, in their little manifesto, then there is obviously cause and effect.
At the end of the day you have to have some mental issue/psychopathy to shoot up random people.
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Well you're not, you quoted a completely unrelated post - where did I mention MS-13 when posting that video clip? What does that post have to do with the others you quoted?
That post is the reply containing the MS-13 reference you're asking for. You realise you can press the up button on quotes:
"it’s completely different to call all immigrants rapists and criminals as Trump has done and continues to do."
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32922877/
But in your opinion, it's Trumps words that are the cause?
When the real cause is the mass immigration that is taking place there. Trump is just a person that has highlighted the same issue as the shooter, and the shooter has stated in the manifesto that it's both the Republicans and Democrats fault and NOT TRUMP.
Yet you still see his words as the cause.
Most mall cops are unarmed, mixed blessing probably.
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Don't put words in my mouth, they aren't "The cause" they are part of the emboldening process. Trump isn't helping matters, he's doing the opposite.
As I said before, That kid was 20? When he was born El Paso was already a majority Latino city, so for the shooter to try and state that migration there is suddenly an issue is ridiculous.
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Republicans: 'It's not a gun problem, it's a mental health problem!'
Also Republicans: 'We need to make it easier for people with mental illness to obtain firearms.'
'The White House has refused to release a photo of President Donald Trump signing a law making it easier for some people with mental illness to buy guns.'
Also Republicans: 'We need to make it easier for people with mental illness to obtain firearms.'
'The White House has refused to release a photo of President Donald Trump signing a law making it easier for some people with mental illness to buy guns.'
Yet you still seem to be misleading everyone, no one IS SAYING his rhetoric is THE cause, it is A CAUSE.
How ******* complex do you think this is? Stop ******* gaslighting and helping white supremecists.
He is not "just a person", he's the holder of the highest power in the US and probably the world.
The shooter said it was the Dems fault? Oh, well, if a sane and stable mind said that just before he shot up people for being a different colour, then he's almost definitely correct.
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"Migration has become a big problem, I'm going to shoot up El Paso"
SHOOTER: I was inspired by trump.
MEDIA: what could have caused this?
SHOOTER: look at this cool photo of the word “trump” spelled out in firearms
MEDIA: he probably played too much fortnite
SHOOTER: it’s like trump said, Hispanics are invading us
MEDIA: we may never knoW
DUMB OCUK POSTERS: hurrrr the true racism is when anti-fa throw milkshakes and deny my free speech!
MEDIA: what could have caused this?
SHOOTER: look at this cool photo of the word “trump” spelled out in firearms
MEDIA: he probably played too much fortnite
SHOOTER: it’s like trump said, Hispanics are invading us
MEDIA: we may never knoW
DUMB OCUK POSTERS: hurrrr the true racism is when anti-fa throw milkshakes and deny my free speech!
Aside from the antifa guy who decided to carry out a terror attack on an ICE facility rather recently. And unlike Republicans who condemn this guy (albeit while often maintaining silly positions on gun control) various antifa people were celebrating the attack on ICE. Rather fortunately the perpetrator was shot before he could do more damage or kill anyone.
The true criminals were the ones who illegally tried to free people from Nazi concentration camps during WW2 if you think about it. Makes you think!