Today's mass shooting in the US

kinetic747 said:
The San Jose shooter had 22000 rounds of ammunition in his house. Perfectly normal and no need to do anything. :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57293174
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I've always found it strange, probably because I'm not a crazy homicidal nutcase, how often with these mass shootings they've gone off quarter cocked so to speak despite having a plan and equipped for a much bigger act - not that I want something worse to happen just find it odd. Maybe they get paranoid someone is on to them and think they have to act before they get stopped or maybe something triggers them and they can't control the impulse or whatever.

Obviously in some cases things won't go down as they planned, etc. whether the law enforcement response stops them or mentally they weren't prepared for the reality of it once they'd started, etc. etc. but been quite a few cases where they've assembled explosives, got themselves a bunch of rifles and so on and lots of ammo but then carried out an act with "just" a couple of handguns and a dozen rounds or so.
 
MissChief said:
What boggles my mind is the cost of 22,000 rounds of ammunition. It's not cheap. $30-$40 for 30 rounds. He spent thousands upon thousands of dollars. Who on earth needs 20,000 rounds? Who looks at their ammo cupboard/stash, sees 10,000 rounds and thinks 'Hmm, need more'?!
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Some in the US have been hoarding it due to rumours of bans, increasing prices, shortages, etc. never mind the nutcases.

One a related note the opening seconds of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxLA4ewSLzA
 
bingham67 said:
Always what I have said regarding all this back then probably most disturbing Ive seen and nothing changed really since that day.

I see the stat the other day 17,000 have died in mass shootings in a year thats just crazy.

Americans need to give up the guns for the greater good and future generations how can people feel safe everyone on edge, and the excuse is all the time well there to many guns in circulation if you dont start there wont be a better future.

People having a bad day flip kill there family and other people these last two months alone it happened countless times, easy access to a gun equals recipe for a disaster. I get people love there guns and it maybe cool for some but you need to look past that and do what best your country how can you have kids when there not safe to grow up in a school.
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Why do they need to give up their guns? easy and poorly regulated access to guns is by far the largest part of the problem.

I find the approaches/talk about gun control in the US kind of tragic as well in that there is so much focus on "assault style weapons" but while they feature in some of the most high profile mass shootings by far the majority of mass shootings are carried out with handguns and "assault style weapons" only figure in approx. 5% of such incidents. There are also far more dangerous weapons in that respect available which aren't assault style weapons.
 
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The 14-year-old was in the system on account of a larceny conviction for stealing puppies, Chitwood said. She burned down a halfway house on April 10, he said. Both of the runaways had been staying at Florida United Methodist Children’s Home at the time of Tuesday’s incident, Chitwood said.
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Authorities made contact with the homeowner, asking if anyone should have access to the residence. The sheriff said the homeowner, who left just 15 minutes before, said no one should be at the residence but noted that there were three guns: a AK-47, a pump shotgun, and handgun, plus 200 rounds of ammunition.
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OK they broke in by the sounds of it but yeah... it was far far too easy for someone with that kind of history to get near a firearm.
 
Kutter said:
Here's the press conference. He doesn't mince his words on why it happened.
https://fb.watch/5UAcgrCFdJ/
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Certainly doesn't pull his punches. Though doesn't touch on the fact the kids were able to walk into a house and seemingly easy get their hands on firearms which is as much a part of the problem as is the mental health service side of it. (Neither does any of the press ask that kind of question).
 
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Kutter said:
Yeah they should have been in a gun safe, but sadly you get people leaving firearms lying around. One of my employees had a gun in each room of his house, just in case..
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Yeah I get there is the consideration of access in a home defence situation but still even just the simple things like having weapons better secured would vastly reduce the number of firearm incidents in the US.

It is telling the Sheriff was quite happy to blast the mental health services, etc. (and rightly so) but never once touched on the fact they were seemingly able to get their hands on a AK47 type variant (not sure what the weapon actually was but I'm guessing an AK lookalike in semi-automatic) so easily.
 
Longbow said:
A semi-auto rifle is what it is, the fact that it's shaped like the "bad guy gun (AK)" from the movies is irrelevant. Semi-auto rifles are legal and very suitable for home defence, and it's generally a right for Americans to have them, so that's why the Sheriff didn't criticise the firearm.
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My point isn't about criticism of the firearm. But I was hoping/assuming it was an AK variant or lookalike rather than the home owner had a fully automatic AK47 left lying about unsecured (some do own such https://youtu.be/6bM00rwpjEs?t=528 ).
 
https://youtu.be/8y8DMBhASso?t=396

Oof that could have gone badly wrong (choice of words). The whole video is incredibly depressing. Fortunately it didn't have a more tragic outcome.

adolf hamster said:
that's the point though, a barrier in place that requires some dedication to overcome results in lower rates of crime.

there are other ways of doing it than monetary ofc, but the point is the more difficult you make it to get [type of gun] the less crime [type of gun] will be involved in.
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Yup, at the end of the day if the US is a society which wants relatively relaxed gun laws that is their business but it is incredibly depressing when even a few tweaks, which largely won't impact law abiding people's ability to own and enjoy the use of firearms, would reduce homicides and accidents with firearms by somewhere in the order of 75%.
 
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The intention of the second amendment seems to be to prevent barriers to the forming of an effective militia (one of them being access to firearms and training to use them) - though if that was taken in the spirit of it today then it would justify the people owning all kinds of modern military hardware :s

Reality|Bites said:
I still find America mental and could never go there for fear of getting shot dead, here in the UK if you have to deal with a thug you don't think oh f he might have a gun on him, but he might have a knife, and up close they are just as bad.
Do gangsters in suits still exist or it that only in the movies?
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I've never really felt unsafe in the US in that respect - there are areas where that would be more a thing but as a visitor you'd not normally have a reason to go there.

Was kind of amusing when a friend was getting his guns out the truck to cross the border into Canada - it would have been simpler just to hire another vehicle LOL.
 
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What worries me about the US - done the i94 travelling west (basically ground hog day on the A303) - but my memory (which is clearly wrong) is travelling on the left hand side of it :s
 
kinetic747 said:
You can understand why the Police aren't happy, I can see more Police shootings as a result of this. I can't understand how anyone can see this as a good move. :confused:
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Yeah likely it will risk that the police get more jumpy and results in increased deaths or serious injuries of innocent people.
 
Tragic - I know someone who lives, and their kids go to school, near there and couple of YouTubers I watch (who have young kids) are in the general vicinity.

EDIT: When I say near it is 60 miles away but still.
 
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Death toll still climbing :(

19 dead, 2 critical, another ~10 in unknown condition.

EDIT: Some sources adding 2 more adult fatalities to that number.

EDIT2: 19 children, 2 adults confirmed killed.
 
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StriderX said:
I can't imagine trying to raise a child in America with them having to do shooter drills regularly with the risk of an actual soft-minded weirdo going on a rampage being perceived as higher to the extent that it's a shared psychosis that everyone is traumatised by.
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Just the fact the passing consideration of sending your kids to school with Kevlar isn't as ludicrous as it should be is kind of chilling.

Interestingly I saw several (US) people on social media tonight speaking out in support of having the same age restriction (21) for the purchase of firearms (other than low powered stuff) as the drinking age in the states, and distancing themselves from the NRA, who previously wouldn't hear a word for any kind of firearms controls. Though in many of these shootings the weapons have been taken from an older family member, etc.

EDIT: Also support for proficiency testing, etc. from people who've previously been very against it.
 
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