There isn't a thing that he could say to appease those with Trump derangement syndrome, for that there is no cure
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Today's mass shooting in the US
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There isn't a thing that he could say to appease those with Trump derangement syndrome, for that there is no cure
Soldato
Maybe bullet proof vests should become part of school uniform...
Police have confirmed 17 dead and that the weapon used was an AR-15 with lots of magazines. Ridiculous.
Police have confirmed 17 dead and that the weapon used was an AR-15 with lots of magazines. Ridiculous.
Already suggested ITT
Not really examples to prove your point since we do have restrictions on the sale of knives and now acid in a response to their misuse
Moar guns!!11!!!....its the only way to be sure
Caporegime
Oh dear you just can’t help yourself with your undying love for Trump.
You are right though, nothing he can or will say will ever stop these senseless massacres
. Mainly due to the fact that his pockets are lined with the lobbyists of the NRA
.
Soldato
Video is rather chilling of the gun shots horrendous loss of life once again fact is if Sandy hook never changed anything nothing never going to change over there
Remember when a logical, well educated, intelligent and articulate man was in charge of the most powerful country in the world
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"In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over." - Dan Hodges
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Soldato
A country that fails to protect it's children has no future.
Weird, I was only reading up on the columbine shooting yesterday and was surprised to know it was Americas worst school shooting, the fact it was 19 years ago shocked me. I said to myself I'm surprised that hasn't been topped giving how mad the country has gotten since then.
Then this happens today.
Then this happens today.
Sure he tried to introduce common sense gun laws but to use the example YouTube video above, should a known ISIL/ISIS/Daesh sympathiser be able to walk into a gun shop and buy a gun? Common sense would say 'no'. They can stop him from flying on an airplane, but can't stop him from buying a gun? Utter lunacy. At no time did he try or make any attempt to remove guns from lawful, normal gun owners. Not once. Yet the NRA was shouting as loud as they could from the rooftops that it was going to happen. Gun and ammunition sales went through the roof. And NRA lobbyists, NRA members, gun shops and gun manufacturers reaped the benefits with massively increased sales. They did everything their campaign of noise was supposed to do. Discredit a Democrat president who was 'soft on guns' and was 'going to take your guns away' and you should 'stockpile guns and ammunition now before he takes them away!'. Any millions bought it. Along with thousands of rounds and thousands of guns.
Despite the sometimes perception Russia actually has reasonably strict gun laws.
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https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work
Chicago HAD some of the toughest laws, it no longer does. In 2008 a ban on handguns in Chicago was found unconstitutional when guess who fought that in court. A registry of gun owners was discontinued in 2013, recently a rise in gun violence was found to be 61% hand guns, something that were banned multiple years before but were now legal.
Most importantly, Chicago and Illinois are connected to.... everywhere else in america and with it easy to cross state borders gun laws in a single city aren't going to be a major measure against gun violence.
The NRA and republicans have vilified Democrats for "wanting to get rid of their guns" when the democrats literally never go after gun ownership. All they want is gun control, like stopping people who visit ISIS websites from being able to buy a gun, stopping people under psychiatric care from being able to buy guns, stopping known criminals buying guns, etc. The NRA fights these because criminals or those who wish to do harm buying guns brings them profit and profit to the gun companies is more important than american safety.
Law abiding citizens don't take their guns to school, or to street corners, and when a group of people bring a gun each to your house, your own gun is more likely to escalate a robbery into your family being murdered than it is to protect you.
But again if everyone has to register guns, if criminals can no longer buy guns then over time as criminals are found with guns, illegal guns do come off the streets. Guns come off the streets today and for decades, when criminals are arrested with them they get destroyed, but when anyone, often including themselves, can simply buy replacements it's meaningless. If you had countrywide gun control with proper registration then anytime someone makes threats against a school for instance the police can immediately go around and seize every gun that person has access to. Today that is impossible but it would be pretty easy to achieve if republicans didn't block such measures at every single turn.
Today even a criminal who couldn't get a gun legally in Chicago or Illinois can drive pretty much 30 minutes away and buy a gun in Indiana with no waiting period, no registration and no gun licence. Strict gun laws... utter nonsense. When you can drive 30 mins away and buy a gun with no delay you have no gun laws. If Indiana also required a licence, registration and a waiting period then you couldn't do that, you'd have to go to the next state that allows it. If all states did it, that guy will suddenly find it much harder to get a replacement gun.
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Importantly he didn't try or indicate a single want to take away guns, only the NRA/republicans actually claim democrats will. He wanted gun control to take guns out of the hands of criminals, terrorists, etc, yet somehow the average american decides that means themselves, largely because they listen to the NRA/republicans and not what democrats are actually saying. Republicans even have it so the CDC can't research gun crime in the states because they are scared of what the research would say... frankly because they have and do their own research. Gun Control would work to reduce these crimes but it would reduce sales by a few percent and they can't accept lower profits for the average person's safety, profit is much more important.
Remember when a logical, well educated, intelligent and articulate man was in charge of the most powerful country in the world
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg
Eh? In this context that is a bit misplaced... you've shown a video of the guy who promised and failed to ban assault weapons, even when the democrats controlled congress and he was able to ram through his headline "Obama care" legislation without requiring a single Republican vote...
You'll have to go back a bit further to this guy who at least did *something*:
^^^ There he is signing the federal assault weapons ban. Unfortunately it expired in 2004 and none of his three predecessors have either been willing or able to get anything to replace it... the weapon used in this recent shooting wouldn't have been allowed under Clinton's law.